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Filtering by "Free to Marry"?

Oct 21st 2012 new

I used to filter by single, never married, annulled... But someone could be divorced and be free to marry as long as he was only married civilly and does a short form annulment, right? Why isn't there an option to filter by "free to marry"? That way we could put "yes," "in process," or "no". I feel like I'm missing some potentials who are free to marry, but going through all of those "divorced" profiles just to scan to see if they're "free to marry" isn't efficient.

Oct 21st 2012 new

scratchchinMy guess would be that annulled would cover divorced, but free to marry, no?

Oct 21st 2012 new

Don't forget, free to marry would also have implications to never-married converts who haven't yet been confirmed, not just divorcees.

Oct 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Victor-544727 said: Don't forget, free to marry would also have implications to never-married converts ...
(Quote) Victor-544727 said:

Don't forget, free to marry would also have implications to never-married converts who haven't yet been confirmed, not just divorcees.

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Aren't baptism and confirmation administered at the same time for converts?

Oct 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Tara-539245 said: I used to filter by single, never married, annulled... But someone could be divorced and be free t...
(Quote) Tara-539245 said:

I used to filter by single, never married, annulled... But someone could be divorced and be free to marry as long as he was only married civilly and does a short form annulment, right? Why isn't there an option to filter by "free to marry"? That way we could put "yes," "in process," or "no". I feel like I'm missing some potentials who are free to marry, but going through all of those "divorced" profiles just to scan to see if they're "free to marry" isn't efficient.

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Why wouldn't they just use annulled in that case?

The only two situation I can think of where one has been previously married and is free to marry without having received a decree of nullity are (a) the former spouse dies after the divorce, or (b) the relatively rare situation where a dissolution of the marriage is granted.

Oct 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Jerry-74383 said: Why wouldn't they just use annulled in that case? The only two situation I can...
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said:

Why wouldn't they just use annulled in that case?

The only two situation I can think of where one has been previously married and is free to marry without having received a decree of nullity are (a) the former spouse dies after the divorce, or (b) the relatively rare situation where a dissolution of the marriage is granted.

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We have two solutions that have been discussed (at ridiculously great lengths).

The first is to move "free to marry" from being part of the profile and make it part of the account and make it a searchable criteria. This means it wouldn't be able to be changed after profile creation without submitting a ticket.

The second is to add additional marital status - divorced, spouse deceased. This is almost exclusively the case that comes up. In fact, I can't think of any other cases besides one laicized priest in the past 9+ years.

I don't know which we'll do for sure, but this is something that is on our minds.

Oct 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Nathan-48443 said: We have two solutions that have been discussed (at ridiculously great lengths)....
(Quote) Nathan-48443 said:

We have two solutions that have been discussed (at ridiculously great lengths).

The first is to move "free to marry" from being part of the profile and make it part of the account and make it a searchable criteria. This means it wouldn't be able to be changed after profile creation without submitting a ticket.

The second is to add additional marital status - divorced, spouse deceased. This is almost exclusively the case that comes up. In fact, I can't think of any other cases besides one laicized priest in the past 9+ years.

I don't know which we'll do for sure, but this is something that is on our minds.

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Nathan, I've had communication with a couple gentlemen who had "free to marry", but weren't free to marry. One person said he would eventually start his annullment, but hadn't started it at all (that one I reported and he ended up changing it and also sending me nasty emails). But a couple others said that they didn't get married in the Catholic church and so they didn't need an annullment. If they got married in a Protestant church, don't they still need an annulment of form? And, if they get married in a civil marriage (justice of the peace), do they need any kind of annullment? There does seem to be much confusion still about who needs an annullment (sigh). I also think that a few people answer yes because they are divorced and so are free to marry, but NOT free to marry in the chuch (obviously a misinterpretation on their part).

Oct 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: Nathan, I've had communication with a couple gentlemen who had "free to marry&...
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Nathan, I've had communication with a couple gentlemen who had "free to marry", but weren't free to marry. One person said he would eventually start his annullment, but hadn't started it at all (that one I reported and he ended up changing it and also sending me nasty emails). But a couple others said that they didn't get married in the Catholic church and so they didn't need an annullment. If they got married in a Protestant church, don't they still need an annulment of form? And, if they get married in a civil marriage (justice of the peace), do they need any kind of annullment? There does seem to be much confusion still about who needs an annullment (sigh). I also think that a few people answer yes because they are divorced and so are free to marry, but NOT free to marry in the chuch (obviously a misinterpretation on their part).

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The simple answer: The Church recognizes all marriages as valid. To re-marry in the Church an annullment will be necessary, regardless of how the previous marriage was performed.

Oct 24th 2012 new

(Quote) There does seem to be much confusion still about who needs an annullment (sigh). I also think that a few people answer yes because they are ...
(Quote) There does seem to be much confusion still about who needs an annullment (sigh). I also think that a few people answer yes because they are divorced and so are free to marry, but NOT free to marry in the chuch (obviously a misinterpretation on their part).
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And therein lies the crux of the problem. The hardest part is trying to educate people when that's the furthest thing on their mind.

Oct 24th 2012 new

(Quote) Nathan-48443 said: And therein lies the crux of the problem. The hardest part is trying to educate people w...
(Quote) Nathan-48443 said:

And therein lies the crux of the problem. The hardest part is trying to educate people when that's the furthest thing on their mind.

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Nathan, I wonder if it would be worth putting a fairly simple description of who needs an annullment somewhere on CM. I know this has been discussed in forums before, and Jerry has been most helpful in this regard, but it's not that easy to ferret out this information as it gets encoded in forum postings. Perhaps 1 single posting that gets put at the top of the divorced forum (and stuck there) would really help divorced Catholics. I don't have enough knowlege about it to do that, but I bet Jerry (or someone else does). (And, it could have a disclaimer to talk to your Tribunal for specific information about your own case.) By the way, many folks don't even know that the best place to get information about getting an annullment is their diocesan Tribunal office!

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