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Oct 23rd 2012 new
(Quote) Celia-821539 said: I actually just finished a fantastic book about Mary by Scott Hahn called Hail, Holy Queen. It really opened m...
(Quote) Celia-821539 said:

I actually just finished a fantastic book about Mary by Scott Hahn called Hail, Holy Queen. It really opened my eyes to who Mary is to us, as Catholics.


For those outside the church, and for recent converts like me, the role of Mary just isn't explained as clearly as it should be. Last night, after I finished that book, which I plan to read again because it was SO amazing, I almost came on CM and created a thread about Mary, so I am so glad you did!


I was absoultely blown away after reading that book and getting a better picture of who Mary is, why she is so important, and how Catholics differ from Protestants in their view of Mary.


It is really the first time I have ever fully realized that Mary is OUR MOTHER. I felt like screaming for joy! It just never really fully "sunk in"!!!! Cathoilcs (oh yeah, I am one now) always struck me as a bit stoic, maybe even austere? And I actually LIKE that. But the Catholic understanding of Mary just makes the entire Gospel make sense.

How incredibly lucky are we that Mary is our mother, too! I mean, talk about hitting the jackpot!!!!! Some of us had human mothers that were, oh, just a tad neurotic. So, to realize that God has adopted us into His family, and we have the most perfect mother in the history of the world???? I slept with my rosary last night because now I finally get it. I thought all those Hail Mary's were some formality! Far, far from it.


What I am NOT understanding, though, is that, if this makes sense to me, and I am blown away by the realization that we have such a perfect Mother, why on earth, when I have tried just about every single Christian denomination and many other non-Christian religions, why has no one but the Catholic Church explained my family, OUR family???? They never mention Mary. I was Episcopal for years, and heard Mary mentioned at Christmas, as if she is relegated to some corner of the Christian world....

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Excellent post, Celia!
Oct 24th 2012 new

Why is there not much written about Mary in the Bible?

Oct 25th 2012 new

(Quote) Valentin-119637 said: Why is there not much written about Mary in the Bible?
(Quote) Valentin-119637 said:

Why is there not much written about Mary in the Bible?

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There is quite a bit. There is just not as much as we might like.

Oct 25th 2012 new

(Quote) Marian-83994 said: (Quote) Valentin-119637 said: Why is there not much written about Mary in ...
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Valentin-119637 said:

Why is there not much written about Mary in the Bible?




There is quite a bit. There is just not as much as we might like.

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Thank Marian you for your reply. Yes, I would have liked to have seen more written about Mary in the Bible.
However, according to St. Louis de Montfort, this is how Mary wanted it to be.

From True Devotion to Mary, by St. Louis de Montfort:

2. Because Mary remained hidden during Her life She is called by the Holy Spirit and
the Church "Alma Mater", Mother hidden and unknown. So great was Her humility
that She desired nothing more upon earth than to remain unknown to Herself and to
others, and to be known only to God.

3. In answer to Her prayers to remain hidden, poor and lowly, God was pleased to
conceal Her from nearly every other human creature in Her conception, Her birth,
Her life, Her mysteries, Her resurrection and assumption. Her own parents did not
really know Her; and the angels would often ask one another, "Who can She
possibly be?", for God had hidden Her from them, or if He did reveal anything to
them, it was nothing compared with what He withheld.

4. God the Father willed that She should perform no miracle during Her life, at least
no public one, although He had given Her the power to do so. God the Son willed
that She should speak very little although He had imparted His wisdom to Her. Even
though Mary was His faithful spouse, God the Holy Spirit willed that His apostles
and evangelists should say very little about Her and then only as much as was
necessary to make Jesus known.

5. Mary is the supreme masterpiece of Almighty God and He has reserved the
knowledge and possession of Her for Himself. She is the glorious Mother of God the
Son Who chose to humble and conceal Her during Her lifetime in order to foster Her
humility. He called Her "Woman" as if She were a stranger, although in His heart He
esteemed and loved Her above all men and angels. Mary is the sealed fountain and
the faithful spouse of the Holy Spirit where only He may enter. She is the sanctuary
and resting-place of the Blessed Trinity where God dwels in greater and more
divine splendour than anywhere else in the universe, not excluding His dweling
above the cherubim and seraphim. No creature, however pure, may enter there
without being specially privileged.


Oct 26th 2012 new

(Quote) Valentin-119637 said: Thank Marian you for your reply. Yes, I would have liked to have seen more written abo...
(Quote) Valentin-119637 said:



Thank Marian you for your reply. Yes, I would have liked to have seen more written about Mary in the Bible.
However, according to St. Louis de Montfort, this is how Mary wanted it to be.

From True Devotion to Mary, by St. Louis de Montfort:

2. Because Mary remained hidden during Her life She is called by the Holy Spirit and
the Church "Alma Mater", Mother hidden and unknown. So great was Her humility
that She desired nothing more upon earth than to remain unknown to Herself and to
others, and to be known only to God.

3. In answer to Her prayers to remain hidden, poor and lowly, God was pleased to
conceal Her from nearly every other human creature in Her conception, Her birth,
Her life, Her mysteries, Her resurrection and assumption. Her own parents did not
really know Her; and the angels would often ask one another, "Who can She
possibly be?", for God had hidden Her from them, or if He did reveal anything to
them, it was nothing compared with what He withheld.

4. God the Father willed that She should perform no miracle during Her life, at least
no public one, although He had given Her the power to do so. God the Son willed
that She should speak very little although He had imparted His wisdom to Her. Even
though Mary was His faithful spouse, God the Holy Spirit willed that His apostles
and evangelists should say very little about Her and then only as much as was
necessary to make Jesus known.

5. Mary is the supreme masterpiece of Almighty God and He has reserved the
knowledge and possession of Her for Himself. She is the glorious Mother of God the
Son Who chose to humble and conceal Her during Her lifetime in order to foster Her
humility. He called Her "Woman" as if She were a stranger, although in His heart He
esteemed and loved Her above all men and angels. Mary is the sealed fountain and
the faithful spouse of the Holy Spirit where only He may enter. She is the sanctuary
and resting-place of the Blessed Trinity where God dwels in greater and more
divine splendour than anywhere else in the universe, not excluding His dweling
above the cherubim and seraphim. No creature, however pure, may enter there
without being specially privileged.

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This is so beautiful. I have this book and am enjoying meditating on the beauty of the Blessed Mother. Thank you Valentin for posting this beautiful passage. Sunrise SHE really DOES Magnify the Lord! theheart heartbeat theheart

Oct 26th 2012 new

(Quote) Valentin-119637 said: Why is there not much written about Mary in the Bible?
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Why is there not much written about Mary in the Bible?

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Mary in the bible. home.inreach.com

Oct 26th 2012 new

(Quote) Marian-83994 said: This is so beautiful. I have this book and am enjoying meditating on the beauty of th...
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This is so beautiful. I have this book and am enjoying meditating on the beauty of the Blessed Mother. Thank you Valentin for posting this beautiful passage. SHE really DOES Magnify the Lord!

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I also think "True Devotion to Mary" is a beautiful book! biggrin I'm happy that St. Louis de Montfort wrote this book so that we can know the theheart Blessed Mother of God theheart a little bit better! biggrin

Oct 26th 2012 new

(Quote) Cindy-534370 said: Mary in the bible. home.inreach.com
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Mary in the bible. home.inreach.com

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Lots of good information here! Thank you Cindy for sharing! biggrin

Oct 26th 2012 new

I think the verse below is interesting. I have read in the past that Bethsabee represents our Blessed Mother.
And King Solomon represents Jesus. Bethsabee did what Adonias had asked. She asked King Solomon to
give Abisag the Sunamitess to Adonias.

I would be interested to hear what people think.
Did King Solomon refuse his mother's request?

1Kings 2:13 And Adonias the son of
Haggith came to Bethsabee the mother of Solomon. And she said to him: Is thy
coming peaceable? he answered: Peaceable. 14 And he added: I have a
word to speak with thee. She said to him: Speak. And he said: 15 Thou knowest that the
kingdom was nine, and all Israel had preferred me to be their king: but the
kingdom is transferred, and is become my brother's: for it was appointed him by
the Lord. 16 Now therefore
I ask one petition of thee: turn not away my face. And she said to him: Say on.
17 And he said: I pray
thee speak to king Solomon (for he cannot deny thee any thing) to give me Abisag
the Sunamitess to wife. 18 And Bethsabee said: Well,
I will speak for thee to the king.
19
Then Bethsabee came to

king Solomon, to speak to him for Adonias: and the king arose to meet her, and
bowed to her, and sat down upon his throne: and a throne was set for the king's
mother, and she sat on his right hand. 20 And she said to him: I
desire one small petition of thee, do not put me to confusion. And the king said
to her: My mother, ask: for I must not turn away thy face. 21 And she said: Let Abisag
the Sunamitess be given to Adonias thy brother to wife. 22 And king Solomon answered,
and said to his mother: Why dost thou ask Abisag the Sunamitess for Adonias? ask
for him also the kingdom: for he is my elder brother, and hath Abiathar the
priest, and Joab the son of Sarvia. 23 Then king Solomon swore by
the Lord, saying: So and so may God do to me, and add more, if Adonias hath not
spoken this word against his own life. 24 And now as the Lord
liveth, who hath established me, and placed me upon the throne of David my
father, and who hath made me a house, as he promised, Adonias shall be put to
death this day. 25 And
king Solomon sent by the hand of Banaias the son of Joiada, who slew him, and he
died.

Oct 27th 2012 new

(Quote) Valentin-119637 said: I'm hoping we can use this thread to share information about our Blessed Mother Mary. ...
(Quote) Valentin-119637 said:

I'm hoping we can use this thread to share information about our Blessed Mother Mary.

I posted the following in another thread, but since it relates to our Blessed Mother Mary,
I will post it again here:

God has to have two pictures of us: one is what we are, and the
other is what we ought to be. He has the model, and He has the reality: the blueprint
and the edifice, the score of the music and the way we play it. God has to have
these two pictures because in each and every one of us there is some disproportion
and want of conformity between the original plan and the way we have worked it out.
The image is blurred; the print is faded. For one thing, our personality is not
complete in time; we need a renewed body. Then, too, our sins diminish our personality;
our evil acts daub the canvas the Master Hand designed. Like unhatched eggs, some
of us refuse to be waned by the Divine Love which is so necessary for incubation
to a higher level. We are in constant need of repairs; our free acts do not coincide
with the law of our being; we fall short of all God wants us to be. St. Paul tells
us that we were predestined, before the foundations of the world were laid, to become
the sons of God. But some of us will not fulfill that hope. There is, actually,
only one person in all humanity of whom God has one picture, and in whom there is
a perfect conformity between what He wanted her to be and what she is, and that
is His Own Mother. Most of us are a minus sign, in the sense that we do not fulfill
the high hopes the Heavenly Father has for us. But Mary is the equal sign. The Ideal
that God had of her, that she is, and in the flesh. The model and the copy are perfect;
she is all that was foreseen, planned, and dreamed. The melody of her life is played,
just as it was written. Mary was thought, conceived, and planned as the equal sign
between ideal and history, thought and reality, hope and realization. That is why,
through the centuries, Christian liturgy has applied to her the words of the Book
of Proverbs. Because she is what God wanted us all to be, she speaks of herself
as the Eternal blueprint in the Mind of God, the one whom God loved before she was
a creature. She is even pictured as being with Him not only at creation, but before
creation. She existed in the Divine Mind as an Eternal Thought before there were
any mothers. She is the Mother of mothers SHE is THE WORLD'S FIRST LOVE.

- Archbishop Fulton J Sheen

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"Hail Mary full of Grace the lord is with thee, blessed are thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus"


I heard recently that the Virgin Mary was the person that Loved Jesus so much, that we can learn from her how to Love Jesus more. She always points us and directs us to her son Jesus. So in Mary we have a the most perfect and pure mother who only wishes us to do Her son's will as at the wedding at Cana when she says "Do whatever He tells you " ...

Blessings to us as we try to share the truth of Mary to our fellow Christians that do not understand our beautiful mother's role.


Kathleen Praying rosary theheart

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