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Mary is the woman God refered when He was cursing the serpent. Gen 3:15 "I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her. We all know that the sins of Adam and Eve had something to do with God's commandment not to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Before this commandment was given to them, God already made Adam a male and Eve a female, for what, if they would not copulate. God intended them to multiply and dominate the earth just as the birds, beast, and animals would. But when God took a rest on the 7th day, the devil (serpent) misled Adam and Eve about their sexuality. (as we are told, Lucifer is a fallen angel. He was said to be jealous of Adam and Eve because they are given a gift of procreation which was deprived on the angels (angels do not multiply), So the devil taught Adam and Eve the lustful way of having sex. God's plan was the painless way of giving birth (Eve's punishment was to labor and have pain when giving birth) and Adam wouldn't have to work on the soil to live. (the soil is his reminder that he will die)

But God promised a Redeemer who is Jesus, the offspring of Mary. Jesus will crushed the serpent on his feet. So we have a portrait of Mary stepping on the serpents. Connecting the story to the first miracle of Jesus which was the wedding at Cana. Mary was the one who asked Jesus to do something about the wine shortage. Why is it wine and not the bread or fish that was in shortage? The wine in this scenario symbolizes merry making and intoxication which later on in his redemption become his blood. Her the sacrament of matrimony (the first sacrament) is established by Jesus to fortify that bondage of marriage to form a family - the foundation of a society. This is why a priest who represent Christ on earth serves as a witness as he officiate the wedding ceremony. Why must Jesus and Mary be present on this ocassion? The answer is to shield and protect the union of a man and woman from the temptation of the devil. Long before Mary was born, God already set up her role. Note: Got this discussion in a Bible Study.

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(Quote) Liberacion-894835 said: Mary is the woman God refered when He was cursing the serpent.
(Quote) Liberacion-894835 said:

Mary is the woman God refered when He was cursing the serpent. Gen 3:15 "I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her. We all know that the sins of Adam and Eve had something to do with God's commandment not to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Before this commandment was given to them, God already made Adam a male and Eve a female, for what, if they would not copulate. God intended them to multiply and dominate the earth just as the birds, beast, and animals would. But when God took a rest on the 7th day, the devil (serpent) misled Adam and Eve about their sexuality. (as we are told, Lucifer is a fallen angel. He was said to be jealous of Adam and Eve because they are given a gift of procreation which was deprived on the angels (angels do not multiply), So the devil taught Adam and Eve the lustful way of having sex. God's plan was the painless way of giving birth (Eve's punishment was to labor and have pain when giving birth) and Adam wouldn't have to work on the soil to live. (the soil is his reminder that he will die)



But God promised a Redeemer who is Jesus, the offspring of Mary. Jesus will crushed the serpent on his feet. So we have a portrait of Mary stepping on the serpents. Connecting the story to the first miracle of Jesus which was the wedding at Cana. Mary was the one who asked Jesus to do something about the wine shortage. Why is it wine and not the bread or fish that was in shortage? The wine in this scenario symbolizes merry making and intoxication which later on in his redemption become his blood. Her the sacrament of matrimony (the first sacrament) is established by Jesus to fortify that bondage of marriage to form a family - the foundation of a society. This is why a priest who represent Christ on earth serves as a witness as he officiate the wedding ceremony. Why must Jesus and Mary be present on this ocassion? The answer is to shield and protect the union of a man and woman from the temptation of the devil. Long before Mary was born, God already set up her role. Note: Got this discussion in a Bible Study.

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This is very good, except I have to question a few things, where is the documentation that the devil taught Adam and Eve how to have sex in a lustful way? Never heard this before. Where is it written and known that the angels are jealous of human being? Never heard of this before. Angels are pure beings and are created by God.
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You asked why it is wine that was in shortage and not bread or fish? I would say it is wine, because that is what they ran out of, there is no other reason. That is what is written.
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(Quote) Liberacion-894835 said: Mary is the woman God refered when He was cursing the serpent.
(Quote) Liberacion-894835 said:

Mary is the woman God refered when He was cursing the serpent. Gen 3:15 "I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her. We all know that the sins of Adam and Eve had something to do with God's commandment not to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Before this commandment was given to them, God already made Adam a male and Eve a female, for what, if they would not copulate. God intended them to multiply and dominate the earth just as the birds, beast, and animals would. But when God took a rest on the 7th day, the devil (serpent) misled Adam and Eve about their sexuality. (as we are told, Lucifer is a fallen angel. He was said to be jealous of Adam and Eve because they are given a gift of procreation which was deprived on the angels (angels do not multiply), So the devil taught Adam and Eve the lustful way of having sex. God's plan was the painless way of giving birth (Eve's punishment was to labor and have pain when giving birth) and Adam wouldn't have to work on the soil to live. (the soil is his reminder that he will die)



But God promised a Redeemer who is Jesus, the offspring of Mary. Jesus will crushed the serpent on his feet. So we have a portrait of Mary stepping on the serpents. Connecting the story to the first miracle of Jesus which was the wedding at Cana. Mary was the one who asked Jesus to do something about the wine shortage. Why is it wine and not the bread or fish that was in shortage? The wine in this scenario symbolizes merry making and intoxication which later on in his redemption become his blood. Her the sacrament of matrimony (the first sacrament) is established by Jesus to fortify that bondage of marriage to form a family - the foundation of a society. This is why a priest who represent Christ on earth serves as a witness as he officiate the wedding ceremony. Why must Jesus and Mary be present on this ocassion? The answer is to shield and protect the union of a man and woman from the temptation of the devil. Long before Mary was born, God already set up her role. Note: Got this discussion in a Bible Study.

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Here we see Our Blessed Mother, Mary stepping on the serpent-the devil.
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(Quote) Liberacion-894835 said: Mary is the woman God refered when He was cursing the serpent.
(Quote) Liberacion-894835 said:

Mary is the woman God refered when He was cursing the serpent. Gen 3:15 "I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her. We all know that the sins of Adam and Eve had something to do with God's commandment not to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Before this commandment was given to them, God already made Adam a male and Eve a female, for what, if they would not copulate. God intended them to multiply and dominate the earth just as the birds, beast, and animals would. But when God took a rest on the 7th day, the devil (serpent) misled Adam and Eve about their sexuality. (as we are told, Lucifer is a fallen angel. He was said to be jealous of Adam and Eve because they are given a gift of procreation which was deprived on the angels (angels do not multiply), So the devil taught Adam and Eve the lustful way of having sex. God's plan was the painless way of giving birth (Eve's punishment was to labor and have pain when giving birth) and Adam wouldn't have to work on the soil to live. (the soil is his reminder that he will die)

But God promised a Redeemer who is Jesus, the offspring of Mary. Jesus will crushed the serpent on his feet. So we have a portrait of Mary stepping on the serpents. Connecting the story to the first miracle of Jesus which was the wedding at Cana. Mary was the one who asked Jesus to do something about the wine shortage. Why is it wine and not the bread or fish that was in shortage? The wine in this scenario symbolizes merry making and intoxication which later on in his redemption become his blood. Her the sacrament of matrimony (the first sacrament) is established by Jesus to fortify that bondage of marriage to form a family - the foundation of a society. This is why a priest who represent Christ on earth serves as a witness as he officiate the wedding ceremony. Why must Jesus and Mary be present on this ocassion? The answer is to shield and protect the union of a man and woman from the temptation of the devil. Long before Mary was born, God already set up her role. Note: Got this discussion in a Bible Study.

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The first Sacrament of the church is Baptism. www.americancatholic.org

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(Quote) Valentin-119637 said: A paragraph from "The Glories of Mary" by Saint Alphions de Ligouri, that describes the jou...
(Quote) Valentin-119637 said: A paragraph from "The Glories of Mary" by Saint Alphions de Ligouri, that describes the journey from Nazareth to Jerusalem:

Behold now Joachim and Anne, generously sacrificing to God the most precious treasure that they possessed in the world, and the One which was dearest to their hearts, setting out from Nazareth, carrying their well-beloved little Daughter in turns, for She could not otherwise have undertaken so long a journey as that from Nazareth to Jerusalem, it being a distance of eighty miles, as several authors say. [Refer to Roads & Caravan Routes of Ancient Palestine] They were accompanied by few relatives, but choirs of angels, according to Saint George of Nimoedia, escorted and served the Immaculate little Virgin, Who was about to consecrate Herself to the Divine Majesty. "How beautiful are Thy steps, O Prince's Daughter!" O, how beautiful (must the angels have sung), how acceptable to God is Thy every step, taken on Thy way to present and offer Thyself to Him! O noble Daughter, most beloved of our common Lord! "God Himself, with the whole heavenly court," says Bernardine de Bustis, "made great rejoicings on that day, beholding His spouse coming to the temple." "For He never saw a more holy creature, or One Whom He so tenderly loved, come to offer Herself to Him." "Go then" (says Saint Germanus, archbishop of Constantinople), "go, O Queen of the world, O Mother of God, go joyfully to the house of God, there to await the coming of the Divine Spirit, Who will make Thee the Mother of the Eternal Word." "Enter with exultation the courts of the Lord, in expectation of the coming of the Holy Ghost, and the Conception of the only-begotten Son of God."
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Beautiful!

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(Quote) Cindy-534370 said: The first Sacrament of the church is Baptism. www.americancatholic.org.
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The first Sacrament of the church is Baptism. www.americancatholic.org

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I stand corrected. Thanks Cindy. I overlooked that. You are right. When Jesus was Baptized by John, the Baptist.

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(Quote) Cindy-534370 said: You asked why it is wine that was in shortage and not bread or fish? I would say it is wine, because tha...
(Quote) Cindy-534370 said: You asked why it is wine that was in shortage and not bread or fish? I would say it is wine, because that is what they ran out of, there is no other reason. That is what is written.
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In answer to your questions"

Re: a Bible passages to prove if the Devil taught them sex the lustful way. After God created Eve, they were both naked, but they were not ashamed of their nakedness Gen 2:25; after the fall, they cover their bodies with leaves, because they have lust in their eyes. The opposite of good is evil. Lust is an evil desire.

Re: Angels do not multiply. When God find that the Angels have sex with the young beautiful women, He decided to destroy them, Read The story of the Deluge. Gen. 6:1-8

Re: Why wine and not the bread or fish that was in shortage in the story. Biblical stories have symbolism. In our Bible studies we are bombarded by so many questions why? Example: Why did Lot's wife turn into a pillar of salt, and not a piece of wood, or metal, or bricks? Why Salt. to answer that we have to look for other Biblical passages that mentioned something about salt. We found one - Jesus said "You are the Salt of the Earth. When the salt loses it's taste, it is as good as nothing." The same as the "Wine" question. We were asked why the wine, then we looked for a passage the talks about wine, then we found the story of the Last Supper.

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(Quote) Cindy-534370 said: Here we see Our Blessed Mother, Mary stepping on the serpent-the devil.
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Here we see Our Blessed Mother, Mary stepping on the serpent-the devil.
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I love this picture.Where did you get this particular picture? I love to get one for my lectures.

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