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I just spent some time reading what people are posting. I was gone all day yesterday serving as a Republican election judge (5am-9pm) and so didn't get to participate in the forums yesterday. And, my Part V thread on what we can do to elect Romney/Ryan was locked down by CM admin. (and perhaps is a moot point now anyhow - or at least the title is, although I do think there would have been good discussion there).

So, I feel sad and disappointed that the voters in this country (albeit only half of them) chose to reelect Obama, and truly I don't think they have any idea of what this really portends for America. But, I don't want to focus on the negative here. We need to grieve our election loss here a bit, and then we should ask ourselves, where do we go from here - what can we do to offset this and/or prepare for 2016. Now, I know you may think this is a bit premature the day after the election to start planning for the next one. But, I will bet you, that the Republican party sure is.

So, 3 areas we can talk about here.

What happened in the election and how we feel about it?

What can we do in the next 4 years to counter/offset what Obama and his cohorts will try to do in the United States?

What can we (and the Republican party) think about doing (in the long-term) to prepare ourselves to retake the country back in 2016?

A lot I know, but I think right now it would be good for us to express our feelings here. And, I am respectfully asking CM Admin. to allow this thread to stay open. Many CM members need to heal spiritually/emotionally/intellectually from this election and posting in this thread might help them accomplish that a bit - I know it will for me. Thank you.

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As I finished opening this thread, I noticed on the news that the stock market is down over 200 points. Apparently, it doesn't feel good about the election of Obama and another 4 years of his policies either! I suspect most of corporate America is NOT happy (other than the vey liberal progressive ones).

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Short answer: Forward with a smile.

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(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: As I finished opening this thread, I noticed on the news that the stock market is down over 200...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:

As I finished opening this thread, I noticed on the news that the stock market is down over 200 points. Apparently, it doesn't feel good about the election of Obama and another 4 years of his policies either! I suspect most of corporate America is NOT happy (other than the vey liberal progressive ones).

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"Stocks are opening sharply lower on Wall Street following the presidential election and dire warnings from Europe that a broad recession there is now all but certain."


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(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: I just spent some time reading what people are posting. I was gone all day yesterday serving as...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:

I just spent some time reading what people are posting. I was gone all day yesterday serving as a Republican election judge (5am-9pm) and so didn't get to participate in the forums yesterday. And, my Part V thread on what we can do to elect Romney/Ryan was locked down by CM admin. (and perhaps is a moot point now anyhow - or at least the title is, although I do think there would have been good discussion there).

So, I feel sad and disappointed that the voters in this country (albeit only half of them) chose to reelect Obama, and truly I don't think they have any idea of what this really portends for America. But, I don't want to focus on the negative here. We need to grieve our election loss here a bit, and then we should ask ourselves, where do we go from here - what can we do to offset this and/or prepare for 2016. Now, I know you may think this is a bit premature the day after the election to start planning for the next one. But, I will bet you, that the Republican party sure is.

So, 3 areas we can talk about here.

What happened in the election and how we feel about it?

What can we do in the next 4 years to counter/offset what Obama and his cohorts will try to do in the United States?

What can we (and the Republican party) think about doing (in the long-term) to prepare ourselves to retake the country back in 2016?

A lot I know, but I think right now it would be good for us to express our feelings here. And, I am respectfully asking CM Admin. to allow this thread to stay open. Many CM members need to heal spiritually/emotionally/intellectually from this election and posting in this thread might help them accomplish that a bit - I know it will for me. Thank you.

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Go check out Stanley Kurtz' article at National Review Online this morning. It's a good read. Essentially: some of the less desirable elements of the sitting president's legacy won't happen until 2013 and 2014. The mood of the electorate may shift once they have to live with rationed health care.

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(Quote) John-727073 said: Go check out Stanley Kurtz' article at National Review Online this morning. It's a...
(Quote) John-727073 said:



Go check out Stanley Kurtz' article at National Review Online this morning. It's a good read. Essentially: some of the less desirable elements of the sitting president's legacy won't happen until 2013 and 2014. The mood of the electorate may shift once they have to live with rationed health care.

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And, good luck finding a doctor to see. My colleagues will be leaving the system en masse - it's already started. They will retire, change career directions (it's fairly easy to become a consultant, work for a pharmaceutical company, etc.), or just plain quit early and go do something else (if they can do so financially). The nightmare of red tape a physician faces in dealing with both Medicare and the insurance companies will quadruple here at best (and already physicians have to have full-time staff just to deal with insurance reimbursement, regulations, etc.) With no tort reform (thus continued high malpractice insurance premiums), and increased costs for staffing to deal with regulations, and decreased reimbursement from govt./insurance, it will be much easier to make a living in another field. Medical school admissions will go down for the best and brightest of this country (and will likely be filled with medical students from other countries - which has already happened to a significant degree - and many of these go back to their home country when they finish.) Welcome to Obamacareboggled

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(Quote) John-727073 said: The mood of the electorate may shift once they have to live with rationed health care.
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The mood of the electorate may shift once they have to live with rationed health care.

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The objective was to get rid of Obamacare BEFORE we had to start living with rationed care.

Besides, the mood of the electorate already shifted in 2010 when Republicans took the House. Scott Brown got elected in Massachussets of all place in part because of reaction to ObamaCare. Republicans were winning election after election since 2009. Apparently, the Obama campaign did a good job of targeting their voters and getting them to the polls when Obama is on the ballot. Obama's coat-tails even got the Democrats a couple extra senators, when a couple months ago it looked as if the Republicans were poised to take over the Senate. This is really unfortunate.

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(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: As I finished opening this thread, I noticed on the news that the stock market is down over 200...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:

As I finished opening this thread, I noticed on the news that the stock market is down over 200 points. Apparently, it doesn't feel good about the election of Obama and another 4 years of his policies either! I suspect most of corporate America is NOT happy (other than the vey liberal progressive ones).

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The dollar went down too compared to the Euro...if that is even possible. I just heard that doctors might be forced to practice if their is a shortage of doctors...do you think that is even possible...happened in other countries...but here....but then again things we thought would never happen here are happening.

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(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: And, good luck finding a doctor to see. My colleagues will be leaving the system en mas...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:



And, good luck finding a doctor to see. My colleagues will be leaving the system en masse - it's already started. They will retire, change career directions (it's fairly easy to become a consultant, work for a pharmaceutical company, etc.), or just plain quit early and go do something else (if they can do so financially). The nightmare of red tape a physician faces in dealing with both Medicare and the insurance companies will quadruple here at best (and already physicians have to have full-time staff just to deal with insurance reimbursement, regulations, etc.) With no tort reform (thus continued high malpractice insurance premiums), and increased costs for staffing to deal with regulations, and decreased reimbursement from govt./insurance, it will be much easier to make a living in another field. Medical school admissions will go down for the best and brightest of this country (and will likely be filled with medical students from other countries - which has already happened to a significant degree - and many of these go back to their home country when they finish.) Welcome to Obamacare

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The rich will hire their own doctors on a consultant bases....one mentioned it today on the radio....the rich politicians won't have the gov. care either. The rest of us will as it will be all that is left....businesses won't pay for more expensive versions. I still really, really can't believe that people don't believe that there are death panels since they kept them hidden in the stimulus rather than the bill...but can people really be that stupid or naive or is it just how good the media is at covering it up...I mean I never would have heard about Oregon and WA and cancer patients being denied medicine while getting letters saying they'd pay for their suicide medicine.... if it wasn't for the internet.

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I don't know...maybe they need to rename the party with a third party....the dems have minorities so brainwashed into believing that repuglicans are just old rich white guys that don't care about them that it isn't funny...considering both parties are the same in most respect except Christian and Life issues that help minorities this is a sad state of affairs. Really dems should be called the socialist liberal party now and republicans perhaps should be renamed to conservative values party....though that might sound to right wing still...anyway, rename the parties. Perhaps another majory news station to combat the plethora of liberal stations...another station to report the stuff the mainstream media won't before getting a right wing reputation for doing so.

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