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Nov 17th 2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: Ok, now that we got the dictionary definition, I would like to add that socialists are...
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Ok, now that we got the dictionary definition, I would like to add that socialists are those that want other
people's money or medicine or property, and think it is their right to have it. Mind you, have it, not work for it.

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In Western Europe, there was a popular saying, pre-Berlin wall torn down, referencing the political parties of the left, "What is mine is mine, what is yours, is mine." Thoughts?

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Nov 17th 2012 new

(Quote) Joe-787295 said: Florian - you are absolutely correct. Socialism is achieved by an oppressive and violent government...
(Quote) Joe-787295 said:

Florian - you are absolutely correct. Socialism is achieved by an oppressive and violent government forcibly taking from you what you have earned. Our IRS operates without restraint. If someone owes me money and they don't pay it back, I can't freeze their bank accounts, close their businesses and put liens on their houses. That group of thugs does it routinely.

Giving your money and wealth away, as you see fit, is honorable and pleasing in the eyes of God. Doing it through the brutality of the federal government should make most of us cry for revolution. But, most libs are asking for more, please tax me more is what I hear.

First, the king breaks your legs. Then he gives you a crutch. All the people rejoice, for if it wasn't for the king we could not walk.

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Actually, if someone owes you money and you can prove you can do all the things the IRS can, if you can afford it. The lawyers fees will kill you, so the sum owed had better be substantial.

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Nov 17th 2012 new

(Quote) Karis-410918 said:I am not a socialist, but some of the papal language used to describe socialism seems too harsh. ...
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I am not a socialist, but some of the papal language used to describe socialism seems too harsh. I disagree with some of it....some of the self described socialists are some of the best people I have ever known. I wonder what they would say to, say the Portuguese and Spanish slave dealers of the 17th and 18th centuries who became famously wealthy dealing in human cargo. Some of those wealthy slave dealers went on to become some of the most respected donors churches and museums. Most abolitionists were self described socialists. So, if you were a slave in the 17th and 18th centuries, who would you have preferred to be on your side, the slave merchant, the pope or the abolitionist socialist?

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Most abolitionists were not socialists. Neither the word nor the concept were even heard of in those days. And to answer your questions, Popes wrote on the issue of slaverey even before there was a real abolitionist movement.

I will agree on one point, but not the way you would think. I too have known some very good socialist. They all lived in Monasteries.

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Nov 17th 2012 new

(Quote) Karis-410918 said: Ed, forgive me, but, I seriously do not see moral equivalency here. Your rant, howeve...
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Ed, forgive me, but, I seriously do not see moral equivalency here. Your rant, however, gives me pause. Here is a woman who attempted to kill her husband for not voting, presumably for the republicans since his wife is an acknowledged Obama hater. All I was trying to demo is how destructive an unbridged anger among the right can lead some to do. I was hoping for a balanced commentary about thoughtless actions by many on the right arising from the frustrations of a Romney loss of the presidential contest. Instead I get a vuvuzela drama queen rant. Is that fair?



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First off, their is no such thing as "the right"....that is liberal propaganda...there are two parties now...the liberal-socialist party and the republican-democrat party. The liberal-socialist party has far more "crazies" as can be seen by their death threats, horrendous language (I started a thread on this) as well as all their murders of innocent babies and boycotts against Christian businesses and hate against Christians period (heck the term "right" is a good example of that too. Indeed, just had one bombing attempt against a family organization recently.

Finally, you had no noble reason for posting it....none at all...with everything horrendous the liberals are doing, you simply tried to dig something up to make a the republican-democrat party look bad.....something based on one couple's domestic violence....makes no sense but is diversion only

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Nov 18th 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: First off, their is no such thing as "the right"....that is liberal propaganda...there...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

First off, their is no such thing as "the right"....that is liberal propaganda...there are two parties now...the liberal-socialist party and the republican-democrat party. The liberal-socialist party has far more "crazies" as can be seen by their death threats, horrendous language (I started a thread on this) as well as all their murders of innocent babies and boycotts against Christian businesses and hate against Christians period (heck the term "right" is a good example of that too. Indeed, just had one bombing attempt against a family organization recently.

Finally, you had no noble reason for posting it....none at all...with everything horrendous the liberals are doing, you simply tried to dig something up to make a the republican-democrat party look bad.....something based on one couple's domestic violence....makes no sense but is diversion only

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Let me see; Liberal-socialist party, that is an English party if I remember correctly, and republican-democrat party, in America? Sorry I stand educated on those two!

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Nov 18th 2012 new

(Quote) Karis-410918 said: Let me see; Liberal-socialist party, that is an English party if I remember corre...
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Let me see; Liberal-socialist party, that is an English party if I remember correctly, and republican-democrat party, in America? Sorry I stand educated on those two!

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Oh, I forgot this administration is the party of "hope" laughing laughing laughing laughing and "change" sad sad sad sad

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Nov 18th 2012 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: Most abolitionists were not socialists. Neither the word nor the concept were even heard ...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

Most abolitionists were not socialists. Neither the word nor the concept were even heard of in those days. And to answer your questions, Popes wrote on the issue of slaverey even before there was a real abolitionist movement.

I will agree on one point, but not the way you would think. I too have known some very good socialist. They all lived in Monasteries.

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Don't expect a reply on an actually educated refutal.

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Nov 18th 2012 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: Most abolitionists were not socialists. Neither the word nor the concept were even heard ...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

Most abolitionists were not socialists. Neither the word nor the concept were even heard of in those days. And to answer your questions, Popes wrote on the issue of slaverey even before there was a real abolitionist movement.

I will agree on one point, but not the way you would think. I too have known some very good socialist. They all lived in Monasteries.

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Paul, I will check. Great! I should have mentioned the Monasteries! Thank you for reminding me, and others!

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Nov 18th 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: Don't expect a reply on an actually educated refutal.
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Don't expect a reply on an actually educated refutal.

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"Don't expect a reply on an actually educated refutal"....what Cheryl?

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Nov 18th 2012 new

(Quote) Dan-258484 said: You don't have to like it because it is backward, but ... socialism saves capitalism (ref: 2008...
(Quote) Dan-258484 said:

You don't have to like it because it is backward, but ... socialism saves capitalism (ref: 2008.)

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You may have a point there, Dan!

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