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11/18/2012 new

(Quote) Karis-410918 said:
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(Quote) Karis-410918 said: Eric, here are your full statements, no misplaced quotes...Just full statements.<...
(Quote) Karis-410918 said:



Eric, here are your full statements, no misplaced quotes...Just full statements.

"The poor & lower middle class tend to vote liberal because they give them money outright thru various social programs. Economic times are hard right now... more people needing handouts... ergo more people voted for Obama" Are you sure that the poor tend to vote liberal because gov programs. How about the poor in Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Arkansas? Are these rich states, Eric. Are you serious

These are not ideas, You are insulting people. I did not vote for Obama because I was offered money, period, nor did my wealthy friends!

That's why people voted for socialism. "To choose the other cadidate would have meant for more people to get less money in a recession when they need it" Are you Eric that there are no rich democrats, only socialists, and people getting more money from government. Is Warren Buffet a socialist? Who is a socialist? This is ver confusing.


....and here is my full statement

To suggest, therefore, that the majority of us who voted for Obama did so because of handouts, and gifts and not values is simply INASANE!


Eric, from what you have written, you have not allowed my opinion to stand. If I have an opinion that is different from yours, I was paid. Really. That is Romney's position as well. Even Newt has called Romney "NUTS" for his comments about gifts to the poor.


Then my question to you is: If the rich know you can buy votes, and that is how Obama did it, why not just go there and do the same? Just more INSANITY.

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Karis, I don't have time to dig thru all this and honestly you seem like a very angry person. Again more "insane" insults because I don't agree with you. I believe I also posted that people vote their pocket books -- all people -- I did not pick on liberals but also said conservatives do the same. I also said the rich and upper middle class vote conservative because conservatives let them keep their money. Yes, most (but not all) people vote for whomever will give or let them keep the most money. This is what the exit polls showed and the point I was trying to make.

I find it so interesting that the left is supposed to be tolerant but in reality is the most intolerant and often get very angry and start name calling or using expletives like "INSANE!" when people don't agree with them.

I'll let you have the last word on this my sister -- you can post more "INSANE!" accusations if you wish.

Peace out.

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Karis,

PS: I'm still not mad at you for having a contrary opinion. Be at peace and be blessed.

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11/18/2012 new

(Quote) Cathy-620979 said: Gee Florian, for a while I thought you were one of the reasonable people around here.Call...
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Gee Florian, for a while I thought you were one of the reasonable people around here.

Calling Obama a socialist is a scurrilous thing to do. All's fair in politics, so his opponents are free to do that, but the writers who started calling him a socialist knew it was inflated hyperbolic rhetoric. The problem is, too many Rush Limbaugh fans were so dumb they actually took it literally.

Obama has always been a free market guy, as all US president are. In fact, he has disappointed the far left with his conservative policies.

If you were to line the 44 men who were ever president up from most conservative to most liberal (impossible because of different times, but it's just a thought experiment), Obama would be somewhere in the middle. History will judge him this way. He's in the American mainstream, all the way.

As far as who would you hire to be CEO of a large corporation: Romney. That's not the question though. The President is not a corporate CEO. His constraints, powers, constituencies, diplomatic obligations, political maneuvers, etc. are completely different. Being the governor of a state or mayor of a small town is not the same as being a CEO of a corporation either. Back before I was old enough to vote a crazy guy named Ross Perot ran for president (twice) with the promise that he built and ran a corporation called EDS so he was qualified to be president of the US. The voters said no. Romney seems a lot more sane and reasonable than Ross Perot and he may well have been an excellent president, but his business experience is only part of the question.

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I believe I was being reasonable. Obama was indeed a communist/socialist/marxist. This is well documented. He basically grew up as a marxist, He was brought up by marxist parents and was surrounded by marxists. He has had close associations with self-described communists like Bill Ayers and Van Jones. He attended socialist conferences in the 1980's. His work as a community organizer in Chicago was a continuation of the work of the marxist Saul Alinsky.

I was careful to say that Obama WAS communist or a socialist. If he is now a free-marketer, then he must have flip-flopped... or evolved, maybe that's the better word. I know it is scurrilous (more that that, it's inflammatory) to even mention that he was a socialist, and I'm sure you commend Romney for not bringing it up. If Obama has completely disowned his earlier socialist views, then maybe it shouldn't be an issue anyway. But, if all's fair in politics, and if the Obama campaign was going to run a negative campaign denigrating Romney's character, because he can't run on his record; and if it's fair to scrutinize what Romney did in his past (Bain Capital and all that), then maybe the Republicans should have been more frank about Obama's past. I was trying to compare criticisms of Obama and Romney, because there were also scurrilous accusations brought against Romney (e.g. he's a felon).

Furthermore, comparing Romney's past with Obama's, I'd say Obama's marxist past is FAR, FAR more disturbing. I would assume you realize, even if you don't have many memories of the old Soviet Union, that a past as marxist as Obama's would automatically disqualify him for the presidency in the minds of voters during the Cold War. I'm kinda surprised that it doesn't disqualify him in the minds of voters today.

Obama is not a moderate. I suppose a president near the middle of the political spectrum would be Eisenhower. Obama is obviously far more liberal than Eisenhower. Just consider Obama's social liberalism. Eisenhower was obviously not so ardently pro-abortion. Eisenhower wouldn't have even contemplated forcing Catholics or any religious group to go against their moral conscience. Eisenhower's goal was never to fundamentally tranform the USA into a leftist utopia. Incidently, Obama's unprecedented disregard for traditional religion is exactly what you would expect from one trying to advance cultural marxism.

CEO is short for Chief Executive Officer. A President is the chief executive officer of the U.S. government. A governor is the chief executive officer of a state. Romney was governor of MA for a term. Romney, thus, has plenty more executive experience than Obama had before he became president four years ago. Romney had executive experience in both the public and private sectors, as well as the religious sector (in the Mormon church). I don't think there's much question that Romney had the better resume for the job of president.

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Karis is apparently a very liberal and sensitive, sensitive, sensitive creature. I managed to upset his sensibilities so much that he accused me of going on a "vuvuzela drama queen rant"... whatever that is. I also find that people falling off the left side tend to insist on tolerance from others while being most intolerant themselves.


Poor Karis. We must all say a prayer for him. Praying


Ed

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11/19/2012 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: Hopefully you will understand it this time. Of the 4 she was the most qualified, BUT SHE WAS NOT Q...
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Hopefully you will understand it this time. Of the 4 she was the most qualified, BUT SHE WAS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT.

Is that simple enough for you, or do you just get hung up on her name and not bother to read further?

Elsewhere I even gave Obummer credit for selecting the village idiot, Biden, as his running mate. That act guarantees that even members of his own party won't try to impeach him.

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Palin may not have been qualified but I don't think she could have done worse then what's in office now. And she took an unbelievable amount of abuse from the media (more than I think any man has taken) during her time in the limelight. Unfortunately, I think a lot of that came from women that did not like her beliefs.

There is a village missing their idiot, and I wish they would come find Biden and take him away along with Nancy P and Kathleen S.


I agree with others here that the people who claim to be tolerant are the least tolerant of all. I will pray for nation because I am afraid of the future of the land I have always been proud to be a citizen of. But I am Catholic 1st and an American 2nd.

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(Quote) Paul-866591 said: Hopefully you will understand it this time. Of the 4 she was the most qualified, BUT SHE WAS NOT Q...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

Hopefully you will understand it this time. Of the 4 she was the most qualified, BUT SHE WAS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT.

Is that simple enough for you, or do you just get hung up on her name and not bother to read further?

Elsewhere I even gave Obummer credit for selecting the village idiot, Biden, as his running mate. That act guarantees that even members of his own party won't try to impeach him.

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Palin may not have been qualified but I don't think she could have done worse then what's in office now. And she took an unbelievable amount of abuse from the media (more than I think any man has taken) during her time in the limelight. Unfortunately, I think a lot of that came from women that did not like her beliefs.

There is a village missing their idiot, and I wish they would come find Biden and take him away along with Nancy P and Kathleen S.


I agree with others here that the people who claim to be tolerant are the least tolerant of all. I will pray for nation because I am afraid of the future of the land I have always been proud to be a citizen of. But I am Catholic 1st and an American 2nd.

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11/19/2012 new

(Quote) Marirose-887295 said:Palin may not have been qualified but I don't think she could have done worse then what's ...
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Palin may not have been qualified but I don't think she could have done worse then what's in office now. And she took an unbelievable amount of abuse from the media (more than I think any man has taken) during her time in the limelight. Unfortunately, I think a lot of that came from women that did not like her beliefs.

There is a village missing their idiot, and I wish they would come find Biden and take him away along with Nancy P and Kathleen S.

I agree with others here that the people who claim to be tolerant are the least tolerant of all. I will pray for nation because I am afraid of the future of the land I have always been proud to be a citizen of. But I am Catholic 1st and an American 2nd.

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Marirose, you are absolutely correct. I will go one step further, my dead dog can do a better job than the current incumbent.

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11/19/2012 new

(Quote) ED-20630 said: Karis is apparently a very liberal and sensitive, sensitive, sensitive creature. I managed to upset h...
(Quote) ED-20630 said:

Karis is apparently a very liberal and sensitive, sensitive, sensitive creature. I managed to upset his sensibilities so much that he accused me of going on a "vuvuzela drama queen rant"... whatever that is. I also find that people falling off the left side tend to insist on tolerance from others while being most intolerant themselves.


Poor Karis. We must all say a prayer for him.


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Ed, a prayer for me would be nice. But, please calm down abit. I know it is hard, but I suggest that we all try to widen our world view!




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Poor Karis. Yes, I would suggest that you widen your world view. I'm sure it would do you some good.


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