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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Joe-787295 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: Hi Joe et alia,Nice to meet you.
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Hi Joe et alia,

Nice to meet you.

So, you're against Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid? Is that what you're telling me, or are you just telling me that those things are examples of Socialism?

James ☺


Yes I am telling you that they are examples of socialism and I am against them. I am against all forms of socialism including bailing out banks and auto industries. Social Security was supposed to be something you invested in during your lifetime and then it paid back during the years you could not work. Medicare and medicaid are pure handouts. By nature, these things are corrupt and full of fraud because they are run by human beings.

These programs will never be efficient and will always lose money. I love going to the grocery store and there is a 20 something in line in front of me with a huge cart full of goodies, paying with a welfare card and talking on their $800 I Phone.

We as a nation are the most generous people on earth. To think that somehow without all this government stuff that our fellow citizens would be left to die in the streets is just silly. There used to be a lot of private organizations that provided social work and help for those in need. This has now been replaced by an overbearing and corrupt central planning state. And they have failed miserably. There are 49 million people on food stamps. The war on poverty has been a disaater.



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I don't know too much about Medicaid, but your notion that Medicare is a "pure handout" is a pure fiction. You pay Medicare premiums to be paid, and even those who are on Social Security and choose to use Medicare have to pay premiums.

I didn't know there was such a thing as a welfare card, and, in any event. even if true, it does not mean that everyone or even a majority on welfare act like your example. Besides, let us assume for a moment that what you say is true. Do you know the person? If not, then how can you say anything about their circumstances?

Yes, it is true, 100 years ago, there were organizations that catered to those on poverty or who could not help themselves. How effective were they? What do you think the whole progressive movement was all about?

Cheers!

James ☺

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Liberacion-894835 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: Hello to you too, Mary :-)<...
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Hello to you too, Mary :-)

Fine. Change "loan" to "grant".

James ☺


Getting a grant is not a "dole out" The process of getting it is not that easy as being doled out. One has to be qualified. GRANTS ARE NOT GIVEN FREELY......One has to prove something first.

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Yes, I know. What I think most people don't know is that you have to do the same thing for Social Security Disability.

James ☺

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Mary-117586 said: Don't forget that Karol W. (Pope John Paul II) lived through socialistic Poland and was instru...
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Don't forget that Karol W. (Pope John Paul II) lived through socialistic Poland and was instrumental in praying Poland's people through the demise of it in the 80's.

The Catholic Church is against socialism (I'm paraphrasing) because it takes away from the God given dignity of the human person. A system that discourages a soul from living up to their God Given potential is contrary to our beliefs. God wants us to discover our unique path to heaven through success on this earth. When opportunity is taken away - and through the HHS mandate - now religious freedom taken away, many souls will be at risk. Humanistic and socialistic views are IMO evil and selfish under the guise of 'helping' that poor whomever through gifts of food or birth control or taking their fetus or giving them a government job. It will suck the life out of many before we have a real revolution. We all should be praying with great zeal to rid our nation of the mindset that has invaded half of us.

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Mary, Karol Wojtyla lived through communism, and was a citizen of a satellite state of one of the most brutal countries in history. Are you really telling me there is no difference between a capitalist state that provides a safety net for its citizens, and communism?

James ☺

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: I don't know too much about Medicaid, but your notion that Medicare is a "pure ha...
(Quote) James-17080 said:



I don't know too much about Medicaid, but your notion that Medicare is a "pure handout" is a pure fiction. You pay Medicare premiums to be paid, and even those who are on Social Security and choose to use Medicare have to pay premiums.

I didn't know there was such a thing as a welfare card, and, in any event. even if true, it does not mean that everyone or even a majority on welfare act like your example. Besides, let us assume for a moment that what you say is true. Do you know the person? If not, then how can you say anything about their circumstances?

Yes, it is true, 100 years ago, there were organizations that catered to those on poverty or who could not help themselves. How effective were they? What do you think the whole progressive movement was all about?

Cheers!

James ☺

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It is true that I did not know that person and therefore do not know their particular circumstance. I guess then the same can be said about people that are successful. Too many times it is assumed that successful people have become that way without doing anything to earn it. They must be screwing and cheating someone to be a success and then they never are generous or charitable. How can we make those assumptions without actually knowing that person.

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: Mary, Karol Wojtyla lived through communism, and was a citizen of a satellite state of one...
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Mary, Karol Wojtyla lived through communism, and was a citizen of a satellite state of one of the most brutal countries in history. Are you really telling me there is no difference between a capitalist state that provides a safety net for its citizens, and communism?

James ☺

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James, I'm all with you. A capitalist state with a safety net is one thing. We have gotten away from that and are headed to a socialistic state.

We are becoming Europeans.

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Nov 15th 2012 new

James, nice speaking with you. wave

I'm signing off for the evening. Great discussion everyone.

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Joe-787295 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: I don't know too much about Medicaid, ...
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James-17080 said:



I don't know too much about Medicaid, but your notion that Medicare is a "pure handout" is a pure fiction. You pay Medicare premiums to be paid, and even those who are on Social Security and choose to use Medicare have to pay premiums.

I didn't know there was such a thing as a welfare card, and, in any event. even if true, it does not mean that everyone or even a majority on welfare act like your example. Besides, let us assume for a moment that what you say is true. Do you know the person? If not, then how can you say anything about their circumstances?

Yes, it is true, 100 years ago, there were organizations that catered to those on poverty or who could not help themselves. How effective were they? What do you think the whole progressive movement was all about?

Cheers!

James ☺


It is true that I did not know that person and therefore do not know their particular circumstance. I guess then the same can be said about people that are successful. Too many times it is assumed that successful people have become that way without doing anything to earn it. They must be screwing and cheating someone to be a success and then they never are generous or charitable. How can we make those assumptions without actually knowing that person.

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I don't know. But let's get back on topic. What about Social Security. Are you going to accept it or not when you get old enough?

James ☺

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Joe-787295 said: James, nice speaking with you. I'm signing off for the evening. Great discussion everyon...
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James, nice speaking with you.

I'm signing off for the evening. Great discussion everyone.

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Thanks, Joe, it was nice speaking with you too. You have a good evening. wave

James ☺

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: I don't know. But let's get back on topic. What about Social Security. Are you goi...
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I don't know. But let's get back on topic. What about Social Security. Are you going to accept it or not when you get old enough?

James ☺

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Hi James, you bet I am, if it's still available. Back in the 30's when this country was reeling from the great depression the government stepped in. Social Security worked very well in the early years as our nation grew, we are now in a contraction and are an aging workforce. How many people on here wouldn't accept this handout since you have paid into it from your first job? As for Obamacare I have heard a lot, but I wish one of the architects of national healthcare would of owned it in this election season, he did not and distanced himself from it. Whether I like it or not we have a lot citizen's who have no health insurance and they are all ages.


This downturn in the economy was caused by banks that were too big to fail and a bloated real estate market, we are in an adjustment period. People who could ill afford a home at $250,000 were given loans that they could never pay. Let's learn to live within our means.

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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Mary-814080 said: Hi James, you bet I am, if it's still available. Back in the 30's when this c...
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Hi James, you bet I am, if it's still available. Back in the 30's when this country was reeling from the great depression the government stepped in. Social Security worked very well in the early years as our nation grew, we are now in a contraction and are an aging workforce. How many people on here wouldn't accept this handout since you have paid into it from your first job? As for Obamacare I have heard a lot, but I wish one of the architects of national healthcare would of owned it in this election season, he did not and distanced himself from it. Whether I like it or not we have a lot citizen's who have no health insurance and they are all ages.


This downturn in the economy was caused by banks that were too big to fail and a bloated real estate market, we are in an adjustment period. People who could ill afford a home at $250,000 were given loans that they could never pay. Let's learn to live within our means.

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It isn't A LOT of people who don't have health care...just those that are right above poverty level, like me...I don't have it...and I dont want Obamacare! The others with more money might chose not to have it but that is their choice. The very poor have medicaid. At any rate, it would have been a LOT cheaper for our nation to just pay for those that don't have health care (extend medicaid) rather than force Obamacare on us which pays for health care for people who make up to 90,000 dollars a year and forces people to go against their conscience to pay for birth control and abortion...which is NOT even health care. By the way Romney did own up to health care at the STATE level and at least said that they didnt' raise taxes. Also, both houses in MI were controlled by democrats (liberal socialist now) and he didn't have much choice....it was going to happen...the whole state is 4 liberals to every 1 conservative.

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