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11/18/2012 new

(Quote) Elizabeth-7064 said: Obama is a good campaigner and a bad president. Romney was a decent campaigner with only fair a...
(Quote) Elizabeth-7064 said:

Obama is a good campaigner and a bad president. Romney was a decent campaigner with only fair advice from his advisors at times on the message and marketing aspects but he would have been a terrific president. It is a sad loss. Obama's skill at securing his base is even more disturbing since he knows he can't deliver on his promises. He can't give out what he doesn't have.

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You're absolutely right, Elizabeth! And, welcome to the forums!

11/18/2012 new

(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: And, you forgot to mention that during those couple years as a senator, he didn't r...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:



And, you forgot to mention that during those couple years as a senator, he didn't really do anything. Voted present many times. But was too busy campaigning to get much work done! Hmmmm, kind of like the last year as President.

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Obama the man, and the politician has faults..no doubt. Senators often do political calculations...but are those bad enough to not have him become president?

Lets examine Romney...or should we go there, Patricia? Point is, let those who have no faults be the first ones to cast the first stone! Another point is we, the majority of Americans looked at those two men's faults, and the faults of all those wanted to make him president, and what they stood for, bigotry, disrespect for women and their position about the economy, their values etc...In other words, we juxtaposed the balance sheets of these two men on values, care, policies...then we looked at the balance sheets of their ardent supporters. We decided with a higher majority that Obama's balance sheet was better. What part of that discussion and argument is too hard to understand, please!

Here is what we discounted. Some of us will never have an abortion..and for some women who will have it, they answerable. So we let them make that decision. But all of us agree that rape that results in pregnancy is not a joking matter, and it is not God's will! What happens thereafter must be left with woman and her doctor..men must learn, bishop, senator or otherwise must learn how to shut up and provide help! There is no MSNBC here. Its just me!




11/18/2012 new

(Quote) Gustavo-764558 said: Thank you, Karis! You are providing a good defense for the Pres. Keep up on the knowledge.
(Quote) Gustavo-764558 said:

Thank you, Karis! You are providing a good defense for the Pres. Keep up on the knowledge.

Sadly, I'm beginning to think many of our Catholic brothers and sisters believe G.O.P stands for God's Own Party


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Gustavo, yo estoy con vosotros! Bravo!

11/18/2012 new

(Quote) Karis-410918 said: Obama the man, and the politician has faults..no doubt. Senators often do political c...
(Quote) Karis-410918 said:




Obama the man, and the politician has faults..no doubt. Senators often do political calculations...but are those bad enough to not have him become president?

Lets examine Romney...or should we go there, Patricia? Point is, let those who have no faults be the first ones to cast the first stone! Another point is we, the majority of Americans looked at those two men's faults, and the faults of all those wanted to make him president, and what they stood for, bigotry, disrespect for women and their position about the economy, their values etc...In other words, we juxtaposed the balance sheets of these two men on values, care, policies...then we looked at the balance sheets of their ardent supporters. We decided with a higher majority that Obama's balance sheet was better. What part of that discussion and argument is too hard to understand, please!

Here is what we discounted. Some of us will never have an abortion..and for some women who will have it, they answerable. So we let them make that decision. But all of us agree that rape that results in pregnancy is not a joking matter, and it is not God's will! What happens thereafter must be left with woman and her doctor..men must learn, bishop, senator or otherwise must learn how to shut up and provide help! There is no MSNBC here. Its just me!




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Yes, in my opinion, voting as a Senator in support of partial birth abortion (ie., live abortion) is more than enough for Obama not to be President. As for the majority - well I think the final scorewas about 50% for Obama and 49% for Romney - so basically 5 people voted for Obama and 5 people voted for Romney out of every 10 people (and let's not forget all of the fraud that took place - I'm from Chicago and know what goes on with the Democratic machine.) No other issue is as important as abortion - and this is not just my viewpoint, it is the viewpoint of the Bishops/Cardinals/Catholic Church. I don't have the links here, but they were posted over and over in prior political threads.
And, no, we don't let people murder other people, but that is what we are doing by condoning abortion.

The United States continues to go downhill and I believe it will continue to go downhill under Obama's administration unless he changes his ways. Look at what has happened in the week and a half since his election. The stock market went down by over 600 points. The leaks coming out from the Benghazi hearings clearly point to a White House (not a CIA) coverup as to what was told to the American people. Hammas has started a war with Israel (because they know Obama is weak and may not back up Israel). Obama's director of the CIA resigned 2 days after the election because of a sex scandal that there is no way Obama didn't know about from his attorney general. We are on the verge of a fiscal cliff that Bob Woodward today said would result in global catastrophe if it happened, and so Obama goes out travelling to Thailand (he must have needed a vacation after all the hard work he did campaigning on the TV talk shows) when he should be in Washington working on this crisis. And, etc. Not a great start for the first week and a half. And, I'll bet money that it gets worse over the next couple months.

May God have mercy on the United States and on the world! Amen.

11/18/2012 new
(Quote) Karis-410918 said: Gustavo, yo estoy con vosotros! Bravo!
(Quote) Karis-410918 said:




Gustavo, yo estoy con vosotros! Bravo!

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Need you to translate, I don't speak Spanish.
11/18/2012 new

(Quote) Casey-637092 said: If we ever get America back the republicans will need the hispanic voteRomney did himself...
(Quote) Casey-637092 said:

If we ever get America back the republicans will need the hispanic vote

Romney did himself in when he suggested self deportation


Despite Latinos being predominately Catholic and sharing the conservative, family values of the republicqan platform , Romney's comments scared them , causing them to adopt tunnel vision on this one issue and thus vote scocialist


We are now as a nation in serious trouble . The utbe video " Determinators" spels out very well what obamacare will do , how much more it will cost and how it will be the flagship and lay the groundwork for the continued shredding of our constitution which starts with " we the people"

We are fast becoming a nation where the headline reads " WE THE GOVERNMENT"

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I am new to this thread. I have not read I and II, and am currently within the first 10 posts in this thread. So maybe this has already been brought up. Here is the link to the article: www.numbersusa.com

Below I copied and pasted the essential part of the article.

PRO-Enforcement Romney Had Better 'Spreads' Than NON-Enforcement McCain In Most High-Hispanic States

With so much attention being given to Hispanic voting in the states, we wanted to see how such a strong pro-enforcement candidate like Romney did in the 20 states with the highest percentage of Hispanic voters.

The question on positions is not really about how a position might affect a single demographic group but what might be the overall net effect among all voters of that state.

So, we compared Romney's overall voter performance in those 20 states with that of the Republican nominee in 2008. While Romney ran as a decided PRO-enforcement candidate pushing especially for interior enforcement to keep illegal aliens from jobs and benefits, John McCain ran as a NON-enforcement candidate. He didn't oppose enforcement (like Obama), but he didn't advocate it.

What we found was that PRO-enforcement Romney significantly improved his "spread" in those high-Hispanic states, over that of NON-enforcement McCain.

For example, Obama's spread over McCain in Nevada was 12%. That means his share of the vote was 12 percentage points higher than McCain's.

But Obama's Nevada spread over Romney was 6%. The PRO-enforcement Romney improved the spread by 6 points. For whatever reasons, Romney's heavy pro-enforcement positions did not end up causing him to do worse than McCain who didn't push enforcement.

In Arizona, native-son McCain's spread over Obama was 9%. Romney's spread was 12%. So, Romney improved the GOP's Arizona spread by 3 points.

In 16 of the top 20 Hispanic states, Romney improved on McCain's spread with Obama:

Utah by 19 points Illinois by 9 points Kansas by 7 points Nevada by 6 points Connecticut by 6 points Colorado by 5 points New Mexico by 5 points Washington by 5 points Texas by 5 points California by 3 points Arizona by 3 points Georgia by 3 points Hawaii by 3 points Florida by 2 points Maryland by 1 point

There was no change in the spread in New York and Rhode Island. Romney's spread was worse than McCain's by 2 points in New Jersey and by 3 points in Idaho.

You may have noticed that there aren't many swing states in that list. That's because Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin, Iowa, New Hampshire and other highly competitive states have very small Hispanic electorates.

It would be foolish to conclude that Romney's pro-enforcement positions were the primary cause of his improvement over McCain. But the open-borders journalists and pundits seem to be trying to say the opposite -- that maybe Romney lost some of these states because of his pro-enforcement positions even though he actually had some significant improvements over the non-enforcement GOP candidate in the last election.

POLL SHOWS HISPANICS SUPPORT THE E-VERIFY THAT CONGRESSIONAL GOP LEADERS CONTINUE TO BLOCK

11/18/2012 new

(Quote) Gustavo-764558 said: Need you to translate, I don't speak Spanish.
(Quote) Gustavo-764558 said:

Need you to translate, I don't speak Spanish.
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Gustavo, I am with you! Bravo! Sorry, I should not have assumed! I hope others are not making the same mistake!

11/18/2012 new

(Quote) John-857142 said: I am new to this thread. I have not read I and II, and am currently within the first ...
(Quote) John-857142 said:


I am new to this thread. I have not read I and II, and am currently within the first 10 posts in this thread. So maybe this has already been brought up. Here is the link to the article: www.numbersusa.com

Below I copied and pasted the essential part of the article.

PRO-Enforcement Romney Had Better 'Spreads' Than NON-Enforcement McCain In Most High-Hispanic States

With so much attention being given to Hispanic voting in the states, we wanted to see how such a strong pro-enforcement candidate like Romney did in the 20 states with the highest percentage of Hispanic voters.

The question on positions is not really about how a position might affect a single demographic group but what might be the overall net effect among all voters of that state.

So, we compared Romney's overall voter performance in those 20 states with that of the Republican nominee in 2008. While Romney ran as a decided PRO-enforcement candidate pushing especially for interior enforcement to keep illegal aliens from jobs and benefits, John McCain ran as a NON-enforcement candidate. He didn't oppose enforcement (like Obama), but he didn't advocate it.

What we found was that PRO-enforcement Romney significantly improved his "spread" in those high-Hispanic states, over that of NON-enforcement McCain.

For example, Obama's spread over McCain in Nevada was 12%. That means his share of the vote was 12 percentage points higher than McCain's.

But Obama's Nevada spread over Romney was 6%. The PRO-enforcement Romney improved the spread by 6 points. For whatever reasons, Romney's heavy pro-enforcement positions did not end up causing him to do worse than McCain who didn't push enforcement.

In Arizona, native-son McCain's spread over Obama was 9%. Romney's spread was 12%. So, Romney improved the GOP's Arizona spread by 3 points.

In 16 of the top 20 Hispanic states, Romney improved on McCain's spread with Obama:

Utah by 19 points Illinois by 9 points Kansas by 7 points Nevada by 6 points Connecticut by 6 points Colorado by 5 points New Mexico by 5 points Washington by 5 points Texas by 5 points California by 3 points Arizona by 3 points Georgia by 3 points Hawaii by 3 points Florida by 2 points Maryland by 1 point

There was no change in the spread in New York and Rhode Island. Romney's spread was worse than McCain's by 2 points in New Jersey and by 3 points in Idaho.

You may have noticed that there aren't many swing states in that list. That's because Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin, Iowa, New Hampshire and other highly competitive states have very small Hispanic electorates.

It would be foolish to conclude that Romney's pro-enforcement positions were the primary cause of his improvement over McCain. But the open-borders journalists and pundits seem to be trying to say the opposite -- that maybe Romney lost some of these states because of his pro-enforcement positions even though he actually had some significant improvements over the non-enforcement GOP candidate in the last election.

POLL SHOWS HISPANICS SUPPORT THE E-VERIFY THAT CONGRESSIONAL GOP LEADERS CONTINUE TO BLOCK

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The author of this article is committing the ecological fallacy: en.wikipedia.org


While it is correct that the states in question (those with a higher Hispanic population) did vote in a greater percentage (the "spread") for Romney vs Obama as compared to McCain vs. Obama, you cannot draw any conclusions about the voting behavior of the respective populations by race/ethnicity within the states in question.



11/18/2012 new
(Quote) Karis-410918 said: Gustavo, I am with you! Bravo
(Quote) Karis-410918 said:




Gustavo, I am with you! Bravo! Sorry, I should not have assumed! I hope others are not making the same mistake!

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No problem!
11/18/2012 new
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: Well, do you think God is for partial birth abortion (like Obama is)? Or do you think God is against...
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Well, do you think God is for partial birth abortion (like Obama is)? Or do you think God is against abortion (like most Republicans are)?

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Of course, not Patricia! God is life-giving. I'm against abortion/ murder in every circumstance even in cases of rape or life of the mother.

I look at it as such:

Only women can have abortions. (roughly half the population)

Only women of child bearing age can have abortions. (roughly 14-50s)

Not all women will have abortions.
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