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11/28/2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: That's nice to know. I look forward...
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That's nice to know. I look forward to the day when you put that knowledge of correct grammar into practice.

James ☺


Shees, you really need a life....look up ellipses.

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I did.

Don't you think I know what is going on here?

James ☺

11/28/2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: Oh I know you will continue to lash out. My request was mostly a formality. Withou...
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Oh I know you will continue to lash out. My request was mostly a formality.

Without evidence, all we have here are your anecdotal observations. You're probably sincere, but without a careful study, your observations are just that: observations, and nothing more.

James ☺

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Forums are not formal. Good luck getting a study done on this...getting people to admit it. It is really hard to prove....but everyone can see the abuses. Really, don't get your point. my original point is that the liberal socialist party is not the best party to handle it because it just creates more abuses....like using tax dollars to kill babies.

11/28/2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: Oh I know you will continue to lash out...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

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James-17080 said:



Oh I know you will continue to lash out. My request was mostly a formality.

Without evidence, all we have here are your anecdotal observations. You're probably sincere, but without a careful study, your observations are just that: observations, and nothing more.

James ☺


Forums are not formal. Good luck getting a study done on this...getting people to admit it. It is really hard to prove....but everyone can see the abuses. Really, don't get your point. my original point is that the liberal socialist party is not the best party to handle it because it just creates more abuses....like using tax dollars to kill babies.

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I didn't say they were.

It seems to me that you do not have a good grasp of statistics and the way studies are done. Let me tell you a true story. Once upon a time, there was an American university that had a little problem. The female graduate applicants were complaining of sexual discrimination in admissions. Of course, universities were starting to take this sort of thing very seriously, and they could have faced a significant liability, if the students' claims were true. So a study was set up to analyze the situation. It turned out that the female graduate applicants were applying disproportionately to majors that were notoriously hard to get into (English and psychology were a couple of those majors, if memory serves correctly). The male graduate applicants were applying to majors that were relatively "easy" to get into (the sciences), which attracted few females. It turned out that if anything, it was the males who were being discriminated against. Being gentlemen, they did not file a lawsuit.

The moral of this true story is that you cannot rely on anectotal evidence to make your point.

James ☺

11/28/2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: I didn't say they were. It seems to me that you do not have a good grasp of st...
(Quote) James-17080 said:



I didn't say they were.

It seems to me that you do not have a good grasp of statistics and the way studies are done. Let me tell you a true story. Once upon a time, there was an American university that had a little problem. The female graduate applicants were complaining of sexual discrimination in admissions. Of course, universities were starting to take this sort of thing very seriously, and they could have faced a significant liability, if the students' claims were true. So a study was set up to analyze the situation. It turned out that the female graduate applicants were applying disproportionately to majors that were notoriously hard to get into (English and psychology were a couple of those majors, if memory serves correctly). The male graduate applicants were applying to majors that were relatively "easy" to get into (the sciences), which attracted few females. It turned out that if anything, it was the males who were being discriminated against. Being gentlemen, they did not file a lawsuit.

The moral of this true story is that you cannot rely on anectotal evidence to make your point.

James ☺

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I am quite aware of how studies are done which is why I just said you couldn't do a study on this! However, observation if one means of evaluation in the education world. While it is not proof, if Iknow ten people who are getting assistance and nine of them are abusing it, then I can make a pretty good guess that this is happening on a larger scale too. A lot of studies that are done are a pure waste of common sense.

11/28/2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: I am quite aware of how studies are done which is why I just said you couldn't do a study on...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

I am quite aware of how studies are done which is why I just said you couldn't do a study on this! However, observation if one means of evaluation in the education world. While it is not proof, if Iknow ten people who are getting assistance and nine of them are abusing it, then I can make a pretty good guess that this is happening on a larger scale too. A lot of studies that are done are a pure waste of common sense.

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Typo....seeing as how you care so much....I meant "is" not "if".

11/28/2012 new

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11/28/2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: I didn't say they were. It ...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

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James-17080 said:



I didn't say they were.

It seems to me that you do not have a good grasp of statistics and the way studies are done. Let me tell you a true story. Once upon a time, there was an American university that had a little problem. The female graduate applicants were complaining of sexual discrimination in admissions. Of course, universities were starting to take this sort of thing very seriously, and they could have faced a significant liability, if the students' claims were true. So a study was set up to analyze the situation. It turned out that the female graduate applicants were applying disproportionately to majors that were notoriously hard to get into (English and psychology were a couple of those majors, if memory serves correctly). The male graduate applicants were applying to majors that were relatively "easy" to get into (the sciences), which attracted few females. It turned out that if anything, it was the males who were being discriminated against. Being gentlemen, they did not file a lawsuit.

The moral of this true story is that you cannot rely on anectotal evidence to make your point.

James ☺


I am quite aware of how studies are done which is why I just said you couldn't do a study on this! However, observation if one means of evaluation in the education world. While it is not proof, if Iknow ten people who are getting assistance and nine of them are abusing it, then I can make a pretty good guess that this is happening on a larger scale too. A lot of studies that are done are a pure waste of common sense.

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Okay, good. If they are abusing it, then report them.

James ☺

11/28/2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: Not that I don't believe in admonishing...but you got it wrong, and if you are going to do i...
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Not that I don't believe in admonishing...but you got it wrong, and if you are going to do it, do it correctly. I have every right to wonder if there isn't a better way to handle the "safety net" and to bring about discussions on it.

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I am a bit confused by your explosive reaction to my use of admonition...so, I wanted to ask you: Do you know that the word "admonish" merely means "to warn?" How is it not applying the action correctly when you appear dangerously close to detraction to give you a warning?

Also, if these things are REALLY going on, like, you knowing people who are defrauding the government, then why don't you report it and let the government look for the proof of it?

11/28/2012 new

(Quote) Chelsea-743484 said: (Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: Not that I don't believe in admonishing....
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Not that I don't believe in admonishing...but you got it wrong, and if you are going to do it, do it correctly. I have every right to wonder if there isn't a better way to handle the "safety net" and to bring about discussions on it.




I am a bit confused by your explosive reaction to my use of admonition...so, I wanted to ask you: Do you know that the word "admonish" merely means "to warn?" How is it not applying the action correctly when you appear dangerously close to detraction to give you a warning?

Also, if these things are REALLY going on, like, you knowing people who are defrauding the government, then why don't you report it and let the government look for the proof of it?

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Hi Chelsea et alia,

Not to pile on here or anything, but why indeed?! I suggested that here:

www.catholicmatch.com

I eagerly await Cheryl's response. I'm sure you do too,

wink

Jim ☺

11/30/2012 new

(Quote) Chelsea-743484 said: I am a bit confused by your explosive reaction to my use of admonition...so, I wanted t...
(Quote) Chelsea-743484 said:



I am a bit confused by your explosive reaction to my use of admonition...so, I wanted to ask you: Do you know that the word "admonish" merely means "to warn?" How is it not applying the action correctly when you appear dangerously close to detraction to give you a warning?

Also, if these things are REALLY going on, like, you knowing people who are defrauding the government, then why don't you report it and let the government look for the proof of it?

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That is the thing, Chelsea...you haven't read the whole thread and then you accuse me of perhaps saying something about people that isn't true...I know it is true and it is an example for how this govt. control of everything doesn't work and how it is not right for govt. to take money that doesn't belong to them to give to people for drugs, alcohol, sex, abortion, etc. against what might be their conscience. James started the idea for the whole thread when he implied to me privately that the liberals do the "safety net" better. I started this thread to show this isn't true. Right now anyway, the republican party who also does the social programs is fighting more for prolife causes and to cut waste. Liberals kill babies....period...they support physician assisted suicide and the culture of death in so many ways and they support waste and programs that force us to pay for birth control. In other words, you simply cannot be democrat and be Catholic. My point started by saying that I do not think liberals help the unfortunate more than republicans. I don't even know where you were coming from when you begain your "admonishing", but yea, since I am on here fighting for life and faith, it was probably not coming from a good place.

When Martin Luther left the faith, he redefined it to help him feel better about his inadequacies. People still do this today. Redefining faith and theology to affirm oneself. What I have figured out is this is what we do...we redefine to affirm ourselves...the thing is I don't want to be influenced by Catholics that do this and I don't want them speaking for me. Lately, I wonder if being on here and posting does any good whatsoever....is it helping me...is it helping anyone else? I used to learn a lot from fellow Catholics...the really spiritual ones like Jerry. Lately it seems all I hear from the people on here is scandal and I think it is hurting my faith....perhaps because I've been on the political thread too much. Perhaps it is time to take a break. I am passionate about supporting prolife and it is hard enough to hear noncatholics devalue it much less Catholics....they rationalize and redefine by saying they don't support it, so it is OK if they support someone who does support it...but it isn't and deep down we all know this.

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