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Dec 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Marirose-887295 said: (Quote) Marianne-100218 said: What was wrong with Bush's pl...
(Quote) Marirose-887295 said:

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What was wrong with Bush's plan to privatize Social Security. It would have been more like a 401K plan, and we
could have had control of our contributions if I understood it correctly as was explained to me by a Judge.


At least then we might actually have something in retirement.

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Yes, because we could invest it. Actually, I just think it should be up to the people to decide. I really felt a lot safer when I thought a business man would be running things rather than someone with no experience at anything except taking govt. money.

Dec 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Marirose-887295 said: Cheryl, don't let lukewarm Catholics hurt your faith. There are lot of us that know this i...
(Quote) Marirose-887295 said:

Cheryl, don't let lukewarm Catholics hurt your faith. There are lot of us that know this is wrong. I guess I don't spend as much time on the politican posts because it is so depressing. And I know I just have to trust in Jesus no matter how dark it gets. Even if someday it means giving up my life (here on earth) for him. I know I need to spend more time in prayer and fasting because this is way bigger than me.

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thank you....yea, just when I'm about ready to give up, you guys give me some hope...

Dec 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Marian-83994 said: Here is part of the problem as it is being ordered up for us to pay:http://peterseane...
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Here is part of the problem as it is being ordered up for us to pay:


peterseanesq.blogspot.com

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Thank you for the information.

Dec 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Marian-83994 said: Here is part of the problem as it is being ordered up for us to pay:http://peterseane...
(Quote) Marian-83994 said:

Here is part of the problem as it is being ordered up for us to pay:


peterseanesq.blogspot.com

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I think my favorite line from this video so far is about how I don't feel a sense of gratitude but a sense of entitlement and I feel like you should have given me seven sentences rather than one! When one gives freely versus being forced or coersed to give there is a difference in attitude in the receiving.

Believe it or not...it trickles down into everything! We see it in how the kids refuse to work in school and how they expect grades to be given to them now. We see it everywhere.

Dec 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: Really...had someone tell me this was a liberal idea...LOL. Liberal ideas are ideas that have to...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Really...had someone tell me this was a liberal idea...LOL. Liberal ideas are ideas that have to do with prodeath culture or anything not Christian. And are we to believe that 47% of this nation can't help themselves???? I think the longer people are made dependent, the more they lose the ability to get back onto their own two feet....better to find us jobs and give us pay then to just give us pay. I know both parties want to help the poor and that is a good thing....but we have to have more checks and balances for how to do that....making sure the money does't get wasted for instance. I know too many people who get social security checks and use it on drugs and alcohol and cigarettes instead of the kids....ways to make sure that doesn't happen....this would be a good party? Fact is...everyone else is going to quit trying too with things going the way they are.

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I can appreciate your frustration with abuses of entitlement money, but please don't lump Social Security in there (although I don't think it was your intent, and least I hope not). Social Security is something I've paid for directly, with over 15% of my income during my whole worklife (including my employers' contributions) and I most certainly hope to be able to collect back on that investment 10 years from now.

Are you saying that there should be no welfare or other govenrnment assistance programs of any kind? Even temporary help for those who run into unfortunate circumstances, or any form of assistance for those who are disabled to the extent that they truly cannot work?

Do you, or anyone else, have any suggestions on how to deter or prevent people from misusing the entitlement money that they receive?

Dec 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Michael-76823 said: I can appreciate your frustration with abuses of entitlement money, but please don'...
(Quote) Michael-76823 said:

I can appreciate your frustration with abuses of entitlement money, but please don't lump Social Security in there (although I don't think it was your intent, and least I hope not). Social Security is something I've paid for directly, with over 15% of my income during my whole worklife (including my employers' contributions) and I most certainly hope to be able to collect back on that investment 10 years from now.

Are you saying that there should be no welfare or other govenrnment assistance programs of any kind? Even temporary help for those who run into unfortunate circumstances, or any form of assistance for those who are disabled to the extent that they truly cannot work?

Do you, or anyone else, have any suggestions on how to deter or prevent people from misusing the entitlement money that they receive?

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No Michael...you also have not read the entire thread.

I know people who had spouses who died who used (and use) that social security money on alcohol, drugs, and cigarrettes rather than the kids. Then, other people are still taking care of the kids. Not everyone does this, but there are abuses and the question is which is the best way to make sure that the abuses don't happen....it is just a discussion on that aspect of it. I offerred an idea for how we might monitor it more and also how we might provide more govt. jobs instead of just giving govt. money away but somebody refuted this idea as causing more govt....perhaps it would, I don't know. It is just an idea for discussion. Also, it started out as a discuassion about how the liberal party is not the best party to handle the issues because it is just adding MORE abuses to the system that include now using tax dollars to fund abortions and birth control. I love Marian's video above too....definitely puts another perspective on things. The idea of letting people invest their own SS money is also a good idea but people misunderstand it....again, ideas.

Dec 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: No Michael...you also have not read the entire thread. I know people who had spouses who...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

No Michael...you also have not read the entire thread.

I know people who had spouses who died who used (and use) that social security money on alcohol, drugs, and cigarrettes rather than the kids. Then, other people are still taking care of the kids. Not everyone does this, but there are abuses and the question is which is the best way to make sure that the abuses don't happen....it is just a discussion on that aspect of it. I offerred an idea for how we might monitor it more and also how we might provide more govt. jobs instead of just giving govt. money away but somebody refuted this idea as causing more govt....perhaps it would, I don't know. It is just an idea for discussion. Also, it started out as a discuassion about how the liberal party is not the best party to handle the issues because it is just adding MORE abuses to the system that include now using tax dollars to fund abortions and birth control. I love Marian's video above too....definitely puts another perspective on things. The idea of letting people invest their own SS money is also a good idea but people misunderstand it....again, ideas.

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Just to clarify one more thing about my post: the democrat party is the liberal party now or even more accurate the liberal socialist party so this is what I aptly will be calling it in my posts (name should have changed a long time ago), the republican party is now the true democrat party and the tea party is not the republican party....whichever party you believe in and vote for, the platforms and voting histories don't refute this.

Dec 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: (Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: No Michael...you also have not read the entir...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

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Cheryl-409772 said:

No Michael...you also have not read the entire thread.

I know people who had spouses who died who used (and use) that social security money on alcohol, drugs, and cigarrettes rather than the kids. Then, other people are still taking care of the kids. Not everyone does this, but there are abuses and the question is which is the best way to make sure that the abuses don't happen....it is just a discussion on that aspect of it. I offerred an idea for how we might monitor it more and also how we might provide more govt. jobs instead of just giving govt. money away but somebody refuted this idea as causing more govt....perhaps it would, I don't know. It is just an idea for discussion. Also, it started out as a discuassion about how the liberal party is not the best party to handle the issues because it is just adding MORE abuses to the system that include now using tax dollars to fund abortions and birth control. I love Marian's video above too....definitely puts another perspective on things. The idea of letting people invest their own SS money is also a good idea but people misunderstand it....again, ideas.




Just to clarify one more thing about my post: the democrat party is the liberal party now or even more accurate the liberal socialist party so this is what I aptly will be calling it in my posts (name should have changed a long time ago), the republican party is now the true democrat party and the tea party is not the republican party....whichever party you believe in and vote for, the platforms and voting histories don't refute this.

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....darn typos! tea party is now the republican party. I typed "not" instead of "now".

Dec 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: (Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: (Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

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Cheryl-409772 said:

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Cheryl-409772 said:

No Michael...you also have not read the entire thread.

I know people who had spouses who died who used (and use) that social security money on alcohol, drugs, and cigarrettes rather than the kids. Then, other people are still taking care of the kids. Not everyone does this, but there are abuses and the question is which is the best way to make sure that the abuses don't happen....it is just a discussion on that aspect of it. I offerred an idea for how we might monitor it more and also how we might provide more govt. jobs instead of just giving govt. money away but somebody refuted this idea as causing more govt....perhaps it would, I don't know. It is just an idea for discussion. Also, it started out as a discuassion about how the liberal party is not the best party to handle the issues because it is just adding MORE abuses to the system that include now using tax dollars to fund abortions and birth control. I love Marian's video above too....definitely puts another perspective on things. The idea of letting people invest their own SS money is also a good idea but people misunderstand it....again, ideas.




Just to clarify one more thing about my post: the democrat party is the liberal party now or even more accurate the liberal socialist party so this is what I aptly will be calling it in my posts (name should have changed a long time ago), the republican party is now the true democrat party and the tea party is not the republican party....whichever party you believe in and vote for, the platforms and voting histories don't refute this.


....darn typos! tea party is now the republican party. I typed "not" instead of "now".

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IN my defense, I may make a lot of typos but I can type really, really fast!

Dec 1st 2012 new

(Quote) Mary-486033 said: Mariannne - NOW OBAMA WANTS YOUR 401(K) www.wnd.com
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NOW OBAMA WANTS YOUR 401(K) www.wnd.com
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I had heard that before, and after reading your article, I feel sick.

I hope they don't ever get near passing those mandates. It is disgusting.

How can anyone with a single dollar, support this Government?

This is a "those who don't have, and want yours" driven government.

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