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Nov 14th 2012 new

(Quote) Ray-566531 said: The US may not have been "founded" that way, but it could be "losted" that way....
(Quote) Ray-566531 said:

The US may not have been "founded" that way, but it could be "losted" that way.

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I agree.

Nov 14th 2012 new

(Quote) Charles-211696 said: That "credit card" of which you speak is more like a debit card, or &quo...
(Quote) Charles-211696 said:


That "credit card" of which you speak is more like a debit card, or "pre-paid Visa" of sorts (my interpretation). Instead of distributing coupons ("food stamps"), more states have switched to using the card. Funds are transferred to the cardholder's account, which is accessed electronically via swiping and use of a PIN.


en.wikipedia.org


At least with the card, defrauding the system is perhaps a little more difficult, because now folks do not have the physical coupons to sell for cash in a type of secondary economy.


As for the card itself, the ones I've seen have a large bald eagle blazoned across the front. I think the letters EBT are also printed on it, but of this aspect I'm not 100% certain. Regardless, it's pretty obvious it's not a credit card or bank-issued debit card. I've also seen folks shopping with pre-printed lists, clearly delineating the specific items they may purchase with their SNAP/TANF/WIC benefits.


If you're interested, you can find out if you're available for the SNAP program: www.fns.usda.gov


Also, here are some data from the Census Bureau on poverty thresholds: www.census.gov


In the end, to get any kind of government assistance, you have to be rather poor. But if you really want to know about cheating the system, I suggest you start by writing Bernie Madoff.



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Charles: That was interesting. I saw on the stipulations for store owner, that they may not charge sales tax
on any purchases that paid for by SNAP. Well, candy and soda can be bought with the SNAP cards and in
NY at least, they are taxed.

I wonder how they control those transactions at the supermarket. Maybe they back out the sales tax before
the card is swiped. Very interesting.

Nov 14th 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: Many of us are already starting to feel like that other half that this quote below is talking ab...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Many of us are already starting to feel like that other half that this quote below is talking about...I know I am also.

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 - 2005

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Dr. Rogers did not see the likes of this administration. They are borrowing the money for their projects, not just
taxing the citizens. That is what is so destructive about this administration. They not only want to tax people,
but they want to borrow money to fill in the gaps. And by borrowing, the rest of the citizentry does not get
involved or realize the "Giving Away of Our Country."

And on top of that, they are printing money for their Third Quantitative Easing now. Quantitative Easing
basically is used to keep interest rates at this very low level. Low interest rates mean the Government
can borrow more money with less payback. So you see: trouble, trouble, trouble.

This Administration is the Admin from Hell. This is done to DESTROY our country. Wake Up America.

Nov 14th 2012 new

(Quote) Ray-566531 said: The US may not have been "founded" that way, but it could be "losted" that way....
(Quote) Ray-566531 said:

The US may not have been "founded" that way, but it could be "losted" that way.

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Yep, that is inevitable, Ray.

Nov 14th 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: I agree with you on the rest of it though...but there is a point to be made that when the origin...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

I agree with you on the rest of it though...but there is a point to be made that when the original welfare system was set up it was set up (I believe) with the intention of finding jobs for people not just giving them money....people apply for govt jobs all the time, why not give them a job if they are going to give them money anyway...of course then they might have to pay more because welfare and disability doesn't pay anytihng, but surely there is something everyone can do...lick envelopes, clean parks if not handicapped, etc. People are already in the positions of giving away the money so it wouldn't increase govt. would it if you add a job list to them for them to refer people too....I do see what you are saying, but it is just an idea....I think people would rather do something then recieve free money....helps their self-esteem....I know I would. For instance, when I applied for the civil service job, I asked if I would be more considered since I am unemployed (or at times partially employed) and they said "no".....wouldn't it be a good idea though to do this? They already give extra points for the military as they should, but why not give a few bonus points to the others....again, I don't know, but it seems like an idea. I also don't think they would have to add more positions then they already have to make sure people aren't abusing govt. aide. Just make them report what they used the money on and do drug test or something....I know I"d do it......I'd be pissed since I never did a drug in my life, but I'd do it....again, I don't know what the answer is....this thread is just for "thought".

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The original intent of welfare was to get people from welfare to working. I am not sure it was an employment agency to
help people find jobs.

Our Government has so many departments under departments, now you are talking about giving Government jobs to welfare recipients.
That would come under a lot of different departments, and the bottom line would be "More Government Workers."

How to get people to not want to accept assistance, and start working, is beyond me? Clinton did a lot to improve
this condition. Maybe he should help out.

Nov 14th 2012 new

There seems to be a lot of talk about the people who cheat the system and get food stamps. How come no one is talking about the people that the food stamp system is helping. Jesus is helping many many people who qualify for and deserve the food stamps because they are a children of God in need, and like it or not, it is our responsibility to help them.

There are many more people receiving help from the government who need it compared to the few that have managed to maneuver the system. These are not rich people. They are the elderly, the handicapped and those out of work with children. WHAT WOULD JESUS DO? scratchchin

Nov 14th 2012 new

(Quote) Madonna-819886 said: There seems to be a lot of talk about the people who cheat the system and get food stamps. How ...
(Quote) Madonna-819886 said:

There seems to be a lot of talk about the people who cheat the system and get food stamps. How come no one is talking about the people that the food stamp system is helping. Jesus is helping many many people who qualify for and deserve the food stamps because they are a children of God in need, and like it or not, it is our responsibility to help them.

There are many more people receiving help from the government who need it compared to the few that have managed to maneuver the system. These are not rich people. They are the elderly, the handicapped and those out of work with children. WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?

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Our country is attracting too many from the lower socioeconomic levels. That is one reason for the increase in
spending on social programs. Middle-class Americans are footing tax bills that are ever increasing and they cannot afford to
support another family by paying out more in taxes. The system needs to be cut back.

Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: (Quote) Madonna-819886 said: There seems to be a lot of talk about the ...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:

Quote:
Madonna-819886 said:

There seems to be a lot of talk about the people who cheat the system and get food stamps. How come no one is talking about the people that the food stamp system is helping. Jesus is helping many many people who qualify for and deserve the food stamps because they are a children of God in need, and like it or not, it is our responsibility to help them.

There are many more people receiving help from the government who need it compared to the few that have managed to maneuver the system. These are not rich people. They are the elderly, the handicapped and those out of work with children. WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?




Our country is attracting too many from the lower socioeconomic levels. That is one reason for the increase in
spending on social programs. Middle-class Americans are footing tax bills that are ever increasing and they cannot afford to
support another family by paying out more in taxes. The system needs to be cut back.

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Hi Marianne et alia,

Yes, you're absolutely right. Look at all those lower-class Irish who emigrated from Ireland in the 1840s. No skills whatsoever, except for peeling potatoes. And then there are those lower-class Russians and Austro-Hungarians who emigrated to the US 100 years ago. Their only role, when they weren't spreading socialism and marxism, was to be ground to dust in the Chicago Stockyards. And the worst, the absolute worst, were the EYE-talians. Gangsters, all of them! Then there were the Greeks, who's only skills were starting a restaurant, roasting lambs, and then burning the place down for the insurance money when the place wasn't making money.

Right?

James ☺

Nov 15th 2012 new

[quote]Charles-211696 said:



At least with the card, defrauding the system is perhaps a little more difficult, because now folks do not have the physical coupons to sell for cash in a type of secondary economy.


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Nope its just as easy to defuad the system with the card. People will hand over their cards and pins for money and then get them back after the person used it or they reposrt the card as lost or stolen. Some also will go to store with other persons shopping list, buy the items and then get the cash from the people. I listened to a coworker brag about how she would get cash for her food stamps (ebt card), she did eventually get caught.

Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: Hi Marianne et alia,Yes, you're absolutely right. Look at all those lower-clas...
(Quote) James-17080 said:



Hi Marianne et alia,

Yes, you're absolutely right. Look at all those lower-class Irish who emigrated from Ireland in the 1840s. No skills whatsoever, except for peeling potatoes. And then there are those lower-class Russians and Austro-Hungarians who emigrated to the US 100 years ago. Their only role, when they weren't spreading socialism and marxism, was to be ground to dust in the Chicago Stockyards. And the worst, the absolute worst, were the EYE-talians. Gangsters, all of them! Then there were the Greeks, who's only skills were starting a restaurant, roasting lambs, and then burning the place down for the insurance money when the place wasn't making money.

Right?

James ☺

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I am glad you added your footnote. BTW, in the 1840's the rest of the country was not taxed to death to support
those hard working Irish.

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