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Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Angela-893980 said: (Quote) Charles-211696 said: At least with the card...
(Quote) Angela-893980 said:

[quote]Charles-211696 said:


At least with the card, defrauding the system is perhaps a little more difficult, because now folks do not have the physical coupons to sell for cash in a type of secondary economy.


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Nope its just as easy to defuad the system with the card. People will hand over their cards and pins for money and then get them back after the person used it or they reposrt the card as lost or stolen. Some also will go to store with other persons shopping list, buy the items and then get the cash from the people. I listened to a coworker brag about how she would get cash for her food stamps (ebt card), she did eventually get caught.

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Angela: Do you know how she eventually got caught. That is an interesting story. It takes all kinds. Oh, what did she
do with the money instead of buying food? Just curious.

Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: Hi Marianne et alia,Yes, you&...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:

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James-17080 said:



Hi Marianne et alia,

Yes, you're absolutely right. Look at all those lower-class Irish who emigrated from Ireland in the 1840s. No skills whatsoever, except for peeling potatoes. And then there are those lower-class Russians and Austro-Hungarians who emigrated to the US 100 years ago. Their only role, when they weren't spreading socialism and marxism, was to be ground to dust in the Chicago Stockyards. And the worst, the absolute worst, were the EYE-talians. Gangsters, all of them! Then there were the Greeks, who's only skills were starting a restaurant, roasting lambs, and then burning the place down for the insurance money when the place wasn't making money.

Right?

James ☺




I am glad you added your footnote. BTW, in the 1840's the rest of the country was not taxed to death to support
those hard working Irish.

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That's true, in the 1840s the country was not taxed to death to support the Irish. The Irish were considered lazy, stupid, people who swore allegiance to a foreign prince, and were discriminated against at every turn. Ever hear the expression, "Mad Dogs And Irishmen Need Not Apply"? During and after the Battle of Gettysburg, Irish rioted in New York because they thought freed blacks would take the few jobs that they had.

Nobody is being taxed to death here. Even as a metaphor the expression is invalid. By the bye, there was a system of welfare (of sorts) in the United States in the 19th century. The welfare system was based on the British Poor Laws.

James ☺

James ☺

Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Madonna-819886 said: There seems to be a lot of talk about the people who cheat the system and get food stamps. How ...
(Quote) Madonna-819886 said:

There seems to be a lot of talk about the people who cheat the system and get food stamps. How come no one is talking about the people that the food stamp system is helping. Jesus is helping many many people who qualify for and deserve the food stamps because they are a children of God in need, and like it or not, it is our responsibility to help them.

There are many more people receiving help from the government who need it compared to the few that have managed to maneuver the system. These are not rich people. They are the elderly, the handicapped and those out of work with children. WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?

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Then why are there so many food kitchens for starving people and homes all run by Christian ministries...for instance Hurricane Sandy victims were helped more by ministries than govt....it seems like the Govt. is getting our tax dollars and most of it is going to those in govt. running the programs but the real needy are still being helped by donations from Christians who are being taxed on top of that. I think some people also get a little bit of help (not enough to really help them no doubt) from govt. but I also think far more get it who are dishonest with it....I just have seen too much. Anyway, I just don't get it or know how to fix it....I guess people far smarter than me have tried.

Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: (Quote) Madonna-819886 said: There seems to be a lot of talk about the pe...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Quote:
Madonna-819886 said:

There seems to be a lot of talk about the people who cheat the system and get food stamps. How come no one is talking about the people that the food stamp system is helping. Jesus is helping many many people who qualify for and deserve the food stamps because they are a children of God in need, and like it or not, it is our responsibility to help them.

There are many more people receiving help from the government who need it compared to the few that have managed to maneuver the system. These are not rich people. They are the elderly, the handicapped and those out of work with children. WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?


Then why are there so many food kitchens for starving people and homes all run by Christian ministries...for instance Hurricane Sandy victims were helped more by ministries than govt....it seems like the Govt. is getting our tax dollars and most of it is going to those in govt. running the programs but the real needy are still being helped by donations from Christians who are being taxed on top of that. I think some people also get a little bit of help (not enough to really help them no doubt) from govt. but I also think far more get it who are dishonest with it....I just have seen too much. Anyway, I just don't get it or know how to fix it....I guess people far smarter than me have tried.

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You wrote:

" I think some people also get a little bit of help (not enough to really help them no doubt) from govt. but I also think far more get it who are dishonest with it."

What are you referring to, exactly? Which people are "dishonest"?

James ☺

Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: You wrote:" I think some people also get a little bit of help (not enough to ...
(Quote) James-17080 said:



You wrote:

" I think some people also get a little bit of help (not enough to really help them no doubt) from govt. but I also think far more get it who are dishonest with it."

What are you referring to, exactly? Which people are "dishonest"?

James ☺

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Well, when I was teaching in South Texas, I saw it all the time. People would train their children to have disabilities they didn't have....even for real disabilities in the old days people took care of their children....but not so now. Also, people would give fake addresses for here and they were from across the border...they'd get food, etc. here and then take it back over....their relatives would talk about it. I have seen far too many people who would get SS checks for a deceased parent and it wouldn't go to the children but to cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, etc....which as I was saying earlier can't be proved. And the list goes on....but the people who really do need the help aren't getting it from govt. They are still getting it from Christian ministries....food banks, shelters, etc. Over taxing and over spending by govt. for what. We can see from Europe that increasing taxes when the govt. just increases spending on waist doesn't help anyone. What worries me is that people will stop donating to people who really need it because they are so over taxed and figure the govt. should be doing it....and it probably should but as we can see it doesn't. Hurricane Sandy is another good example. Our church took a collection as I'm sure most of yours did and those in ministry have been helping the most from what I hear.

Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: You wrote:" I think some p...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Quote:
James-17080 said:



You wrote:

" I think some people also get a little bit of help (not enough to really help them no doubt) from govt. but I also think far more get it who are dishonest with it."

What are you referring to, exactly? Which people are "dishonest"?

James ☺


Well, when I was teaching in South Texas, I saw it all the time. People would train their children to have disabilities they didn't have....even for real disabilities in the old days people took care of their children....but not so now. Also, people would give fake addresses for here and they were from across the border...they'd get food, etc. here and then take it back over....their relatives would talk about it. I have seen far too many people who would get SS checks for a deceased parent and it wouldn't go to the children but to cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, etc....which as I was saying earlier can't be proved. And the list goes on....but the people who really do need the help aren't getting it from govt. They are still getting it from Christian ministries....food banks, shelters, etc. Over taxing and over spending by govt. for what. We can see from Europe that increasing taxes when the govt. just increases spending on waist doesn't help anyone. What worries me is that people will stop donating to people who really need it because they are so over taxed and figure the govt. should be doing it....and it probably should but as we can see it doesn't. Hurricane Sandy is another good example. Our church took a collection as I'm sure most of yours did and those in ministry have been helping the most from what I hear.

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I don't know how true your story is or not.

But this is what want to ask you: Do you have any idea at all how insulting and hurtful your comment might be to anybody here who might be on what you classify as "socialism" or "welfare" or any other pejorative word you've used over the last few days?

James ☺

Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: I don't know how true your story is or not.But this is what want to ask you: D...
(Quote) James-17080 said:



I don't know how true your story is or not.

But this is what want to ask you: Do you have any idea at all how insulting and hurtful your comment might be to anybody here who might be on what you classify as "socialism" or "welfare" or any other pejorative word you've used over the last few days?

James ☺

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No James I am lying juts for kicks. rolling eyes rolling eyes rolling eyes I never even worked in South Texas and never heard of anyone who cheated the system. rolling eyes rolling eyes rolling eyes Wait, I did! I can tell you that two of the people I know who use SS checks for stuff they shouldn't have I knew personally....so yea, don't appreciate your calling me a liar...the student situation, I knew personally...the others I was told. What do you call it when the govt. takes money from someone to give to some else besides socialism? This is especially WRONG when the stuff they use it on is just waste or outright evil like abortion and birth control. I can also tell you that we all need a helping hand and I don't think anything is wrong with that....what I'm not sure of is the "how".

Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: I don't know how true your story is or not.But this is what want to ask you: D...
(Quote) James-17080 said:



I don't know how true your story is or not.

But this is what want to ask you: Do you have any idea at all how insulting and hurtful your comment might be to anybody here who might be on what you classify as "socialism" or "welfare" or any other pejorative word you've used over the last few days?

James ☺

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Also, the republicans do the same social programs to help people, but I believe it is their intent to help them get a step up and a new start...not to keep them on welfare and make them dependent to have more constituencies....not I don't call Repbulicans socialist...indeed I think they are the real democrat party. However "democrats" are liberal socialist....they have an agenda....to spread prodeath culture while making people dependent on govt. Perhaps that is what you are referring to when you say I have commented on socialism. I stand by that...there are only two parties now. One that is Repubican-democrat (prolife) and one that is liberalism-socialist (prodeath).

Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: Also, the republicans do the same social programs to help people, but I believe it is their inte...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Also, the republicans do the same social programs to help people, but I believe it is their intent to help them get a step up and a new start...not to keep them on welfare and make them dependent to have more constituencies....note I don't call Repbulicans socialist...indeed I think they are the real democrat party. However "democrats" are liberal socialist....they have an agenda....to spread prodeath culture while making people dependent on govt. Perhaps that is what you are referring to when you say I have commented on socialism. I stand by that...there are only two parties now. One that is Repubican-democrat (prolife) and one that is liberalism-socialist (prodeath).

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"note" instead of "not"

Nov 15th 2012 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: I don't know how true your story is...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Quote:
James-17080 said:



I don't know how true your story is or not.

But this is what want to ask you: Do you have any idea at all how insulting and hurtful your comment might be to anybody here who might be on what you classify as "socialism" or "welfare" or any other pejorative word you've used over the last few days?

James ☺


No James I am lying juts for kicks. I never even worked in South Texas and never heard of anyone who cheated the system. Wait, I did! I can tell you that two of the people I know who use SS checks for stuff they shouldn't have I knew personally....so yea, don't appreciate your calling me a liar...the student situation, I knew personally...the others I was told. What do you call it when the govt. takes money from someone to give to some else besides socialism? This is especially WRONG when the stuff they use it on is just waste or outright evil like abortion and birth control. I can also tell you that we all need a helping hand and I don't think anything is wrong with that....what I'm not sure of is the "how".

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I said I don't know how true your story is or not. I didn't say your story is untrue. And I never said you lied. I suggest you read what I wrote again.

So, let me get this straight. If the government takes my money and gives it to someone else, that is "socialism", right? So, if the government takes my money and gives it to the military, that is "socialism", right? If the government takes my money and gives it to crooked banks who gambled with their depositors money, that is "socialism", right? If the government gives money to Israel, that is socialism, right?

How do you know what they spend their money on? And who is this "they" you're referring to? Is "they" a carefully sampled cohort, or is it... well, what?

Finally, lets go back to my question: Do you have any idea at all how insulting and hurtful your comment might be to anybody here who might be on what you classify as "socialism" or "welfare" or any other pejorative word you've used over the last few days?


James ☺

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