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The Liberal Gloat

11/20/2012 new
"Consider the secular vote, which has been growing swiftly and tilts heavily toward Democrats. The liberal image of a non-churchgoing American is probably the “spiritual but not religious” seeker, or the bright young atheist reading Richard Dawkins. But the typical unchurched American is just as often an underemployed working-class man, whose secularism is less an intellectual choice than a symptom of his disconnection from community in general.

What unites all of these stories is the growing failure of America’s local associations — civic, familial, religious — to foster stability, encourage solidarity and make mobility possible."

A quote from Ross Douthat's article in the New York Times...interesting commentary...what do you think?

www.nytimes.com
11/20/2012 new

(Quote) Dan-28682 said: "Consider the secular vote, which has been growing swiftly and tilts heavily toward Democrats. The lib...
(Quote) Dan-28682 said: "Consider the secular vote, which has been growing swiftly and tilts heavily toward Democrats. The liberal image of a non-churchgoing American is probably the “spiritual but not religious” seeker, or the bright young atheist reading Richard Dawkins. But the typical unchurched American is just as often an underemployed working-class man, whose secularism is less an intellectual choice than a symptom of his disconnection from community in general.

What unites all of these stories is the growing failure of America’s local associations — civic, familial, religious — to foster stability, encourage solidarity and make mobility possible."

A quote from Ross Douthat's article in the New York Times...interesting commentary...what do you think?

www.nytimes.com
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If the change from the nominally Christian Republic to pagan Ampire is allow to continue, you'll see a lot more of these on both sides of a more stratified caste divide.

The poor man often has neither Faith or property, and deserves both. This was the vision of the Distributists such as Chesterton and Fr. Vincent McNabb, who advocated both the widespread distribution of property and the spread of the Catholic Faith in its fullness, shoring up faith and reason against the errors of the Modernists.

11/20/2012 new

I do find the recent gloating a little much, especially considering how close the presidential election was and that it was hardly a clean sweep for the Dems - the House is still solidly Republican and looks to stay that way for years.

If 2% of the popular vote had shifted the other way, Romney would have won.

On the other hand, if Romney had won, the gloating on the other side would have been so much worse. We would have heard triumphent claims of a "complete repudiation of Obamacare and socialism", blah, blah, blah after a pretty much tied election.

"growing failure of America’s local associations — civic, familial, religious — to foster stability, encourage solidarity and make mobility possible."

Very true. And it's mostly not the federal government's fault. But the libertarian influence on the Republican party and its emphasis on individualism and a global labor market makes that party even less apt to provide answers than the Dems.


11/20/2012 new

(Quote) Dan-28682 said: "Consider the secular vote, which has been growing swiftly and tilts heavily toward Democrats. The lib...
(Quote) Dan-28682 said: "Consider the secular vote, which has been growing swiftly and tilts heavily toward Democrats. The liberal image of a non-churchgoing American is probably the “spiritual but not religious” seeker, or the bright young atheist reading Richard Dawkins. But the typical unchurched American is just as often an underemployed working-class man, whose secularism is less an intellectual choice than a symptom of his disconnection from community in general.

What unites all of these stories is the growing failure of America’s local associations — civic, familial, religious — to foster stability, encourage solidarity and make mobility possible."

A quote from Ross Douthat's article in the New York Times...interesting commentary...what do you think?

www.nytimes.com
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I don't think America's local associations would have been of interest to those new to America. In this current
economic climate, with men and women both working to bring home money, they are too busy to join groups.

Now that I hear all this about priests abusing kids, and scout leaders abusing kids, and coaches abusing kids, it
seems it is better that the kids stay home and do their homework.

11/21/2012 new

(Quote) Cathy-620979 said: I do find the recent gloating a little much, especially considering how close the presidential el...
(Quote) Cathy-620979 said:

I do find the recent gloating a little much, especially considering how close the presidential election was and that it was hardly a clean sweep for the Dems - the House is still solidly Republican and looks to stay that way for years.

If 2% of the popular vote had shifted the other way, Romney would have won.

On the other hand, if Romney had won, the gloating on the other side would have been so much worse. We would have heard triumphent claims of a "complete repudiation of Obamacare and socialism", blah, blah, blah after a pretty much tied election.

"growing failure of America’s local associations — civic, familial, religious — to foster stability, encourage solidarity and make mobility possible."

Very true. And it's mostly not the federal government's fault. But the libertarian influence on the Republican party and its emphasis on individualism and a global labor market makes that party even less apt to provide answers than the Dems.

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“But if conservatives don’t acknowledge the crisis’s economic component, liberalism
often seems indifferent to its deeper social roots. The progressive bias toward
the capital-F Future, the old left-wing suspicion of faith and domesticity, the fact that Democrats have benefited
politically from these trends — all of this makes it easy for liberals to just
celebrate the emerging America, to minimize the costs of disrupted families and
hollowed-out communities, and to treat the places where Americans have traditionally
found solidarity outside the state (like the churches threatened by the Obama
White House’s contraceptive mandate) as irritants or threats.

This is a great flaw in the liberal vision, because whatever role government plays
in prosperity, transfer payments are not a sufficient foundation for
middle-class success.
It’s not a coincidence that the economic era that many liberals pine for — the great,
egalitarian post-World War II boom — was an era that social conservatives
remember fondly as well: a time of leaping church attendance, rising marriage
rates and birthrates, and widespread civic renewal and engagement.

No such renewal seems to be on the horizon. That isn’t a judgment on the Obama White House, necessarily. But it is a
judgment on a certain kind of blithe liberal optimism, and the confidence with
which many Democrats assume their newly emerged majority is a sign of progress
rather than decline.”

11/21/2012 new

Private associations are falling away as the state (or those who run the state) socially engineer society to become dependent upon the state. This has nothing to do with real charity or welfare but a desire to control and dominate society from the top down...in other words, totalitarianism cloaked as "democracy" and "equality." It is becoming more and more difficult for me to take those terms seriously anymore.

11/21/2012 new

(Quote) Sean-851370 said: Private associations are falling away as the state (or those who run the state) socially engineer ...
(Quote) Sean-851370 said:

Private associations are falling away as the state (or those who run the state) socially engineer society to become dependent upon the state. This has nothing to do with real charity or welfare but a desire to control and dominate society from the top down...in other words, totalitarianism cloaked as "democracy" and "equality." It is becoming more and more difficult for me to take those terms seriously anymore.

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So you are saying that people are depending on the state, so do not need private associations? But private associations do
more than just support people. They can be social or athletic or like the KOC.

11/21/2012 new

(Quote) Sean-851370 said: Private associations are falling away as the state (or those who run the state) socially engineer ...
(Quote) Sean-851370 said:

Private associations are falling away as the state (or those who run the state) socially engineer society to become dependent upon the state. This has nothing to do with real charity or welfare but a desire to control and dominate society from the top down...in other words, totalitarianism cloaked as "democracy" and "equality." It is becoming more and more difficult for me to take those terms seriously anymore.

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Sean, have you seen the movie Lincoln yet?

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