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Nov 21st 2012 new

(Quote) Cathy-620979 said: I'd be surprised if the FDA allows hormones to be sold over-the-counter. (Note that th...
(Quote) Cathy-620979 said:

I'd be surprised if the FDA allows hormones to be sold over-the-counter.

(Note that this news story is about a doctors' organization advocating allowing birth control pills to go OTC; to get through the FDA process would take years, if it ever happens.)

Reproductive system hormones are yucky. (I certainly never want to take them.)

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Your right. Luckly they said it would be about 5 years. However Plan B, which is a large amount of hormones all at once, can be purchased through vending machines on some chosen college campuses and made easily available elsewhere.

Nov 21st 2012 new

(Quote) Laura-56149 said: It seems like more than one physician:"The American College of Obst...
(Quote) Laura-56149 said:




It seems like more than one physician:

"The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists"

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Shame on them! They know better. I guess they don't want to be bothered with midnight phone calls asking for Plan B. Of course an organization of physicians does not represent all of the physicians in that category (although many times they act like they do).

Nov 21st 2012 new

(Quote) Patricia-29176 said: As a physician (not even looking at the spiritual ramifications of this), this is a rea...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:



As a physician (not even looking at the spiritual ramifications of this), this is a really BAD idea. Birth control pills have side effects - some of them extremely serious (blood clots/DVT's, long-term use correlated with breast cancer, etc.) There is no way any woman should be able to buy birth control pills without being seen and examined by a physician. She may have things in her history (such as smoking) that are contraindications to the use of birth control pills. There are some pills that can eventually be moved to OTC (over-the-counter usage) - birth control pills (oral contraceptives) should NEVER be moved to OTC availablity. It will only cause more harm being done to women or girls who don't realize what the ramifications or side effects could be.

Who came up with this idiotic plan anyhow?! If it's a physician, he should resign and stop practicing medicine!

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I'm actually coming to the point now since the lock's been taken off the henhouse of just giving up on society. Maybe it's time to thin the heard and let them kill themselves off. I posted this in another thread a few days ago that looks like it was removed since my last visit.

Just got done evaluating my health care benefits for 2013, and who wouldn't have guessed the changes implemented by Obamacare raised my costs...and not just by the slow drip that takes place every year...my deductible goes up by another $180/yr, and my out of pocket maximum goes up by 60%...all for these nine changes?

PLAN CHANGES REQUIRED BY HEALTH CARE REFORM
These changes are required by the Patie
nt Protection and Affordable Care Act (“PPACA” or the “Affordable Care Act”), also known as Health Care Reform.

The following preventive care services will be 100 percent covered, with no deductible.

HPV DNA screening
STI counseling
HIV screening and counseling
Generic contraceptives and brand contraceptives for which a generic equivalent isn’t available.
Contraception counseling
Sterilization procedures
Breastfeeding support, counseling, supplies, and equipment
Gestational diabetes screening
Well-woman preventive care visits and additional well-woman visits as recommended by your physician

I'm not going to go into a dissertation about the first 8 (really the first 7, diabetes screening is already covered under Well-woman care in the plan, don't know why they had it listed twice) and I've already had a drag out war on fb over this. But it is the fact that since I no longer have any choice in regards to ideological preference in any offered plan, and my rates skyrocketed this year compared to previous annual increases, I'm through caring about other people's medical problems.



Nov 22nd 2012 new

(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:As a physician (not even looking at the spiritual ramifications of this), this is a really BAD idea...
(Quote) Patricia-29176 said:
As a physician (not even looking at the spiritual ramifications of this), this is a really BAD idea. Birth control pills have side effects - some of them extremely serious (blood clots/DVT's, long-term use correlated with breast cancer, etc.) There is no way any woman should be able to buy birth control pills without being seen and examined by a physician. She may have things in her history (such as smoking) that are contraindications to the use of birth control pills. There are some pills that can eventually be moved to OTC (over-the-counter usage) - birth control pills (oral contraceptives) should NEVER be moved to OTC availablity. It will only cause more harm being done to women or girls who don't realize what the ramifications or side effects could be.

Who came up with this idiotic plan anyhow?! If it's a physician, he should resign and stop practicing medicine!

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I have never studied medicine. The world can be grateful for that. But as a complete lay person on the subject it seems to me that any other medicines with the side effects or at least the seriousness of the side effects of contraceptives just don't get approved by the FDA for use. So the question is, how come these things have been approved.

Has any one every given thought to the fact that the developers of the "sex" medicines have spent a lot of time, money and effort developing "birth control" solutions for women but performance enhancing drugs for men. KInd of tells a lot about what society's believes is important.

Nov 22nd 2012 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: I have never studied medicine. The world can be grateful for that. But as a complete lay ...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

I have never studied medicine. The world can be grateful for that. But as a complete lay person on the subject it seems to me that any other medicines with the side effects or at least the seriousness of the side effects of contraceptives just don't get approved by the FDA for use. So the question is, how come these things have been approved.

Has any one every given thought to the fact that the developers of the "sex" medicines have spent a lot of time, money and effort developing "birth control" solutions for women but performance enhancing drugs for men. KInd of tells a lot about what society's believes is important.

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Hi Paul, actually virtually all medicines have side effects (and many of them just as serious as oral contraceptives) that lay people don't know about it. Although physicians learn about the side effects (or at least the major ones) and they are written down in manuals, etc. , it is obviously in pharmaceutical companies best interests not to advertise these side effects. That said, if many of you knew what the potential side effects (which actually happen usually in only a very small percentage of patients) were of the medicines you took, you might not take them (it is all a question of the odds and trying to prevent or treat some illness/disease. That said, obviously in the vast majority of cases, oral contraceptives are being used for birth control (there are some medical conditions that legitimately need to be treated with oral contraceptives), and so there is no reason in this vast majority of cases to risk these serious side effects.

As for Viagra, etc. - yes it is interesting that so much money has been spent developing this type of drug and virtually every insurance plan that I know of covers it. Impotence in the young to middle-aged can legitimately be considered as to be caused by some type of illness/pathology and so that makes sense for them. But, really, in the elderly (say over 70 - and I'm being generous here), should Viagra really be covered by insurance? I think not. It should be paid for by the person wanting it, the same as birth control pills should be paid for. And, by the way, for those men considering using it, it also has some very serious side effects (particularly if you have any hypertension- high blood pressure to start with which a high percentage of the elderly do).

Nov 22nd 2012 new

According to Randy Engel, a few women who were used to test birth control pills in Puerto Rico in the 1950s ended up dying from those tests. Puerto Rico was a proving ground for the Rockefeller family's hideous population control projects.

Nov 22nd 2012 new

(Quote) Laura-56149 said: Plan B is in despensers on college campuses so this doesn't surprise me. However, I wonder how...
(Quote) Laura-56149 said:

Plan B is in despensers on college campuses so this doesn't surprise me. However, I wonder how Obama is going to force us to pay women who buy them OTC? Women have always been able to get them for free at any women's clinic re: Title X 1970. Obama making a big deal about how he is taking care of women has always been a big fat political lie to get him elected by people that were too naive to do their own research. Smoke and Mirrors is all the Democratic platform was based on this election. So very pitiful.

The bigger question is what this means spiritually for this country?

shine.yahoo.com

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Laura: If it is over the counter, that does not mean it is free. Also, those pills contain hormones and that is very
dangerous to supply to women. If women are not given directions, they may not take it seriously and
them hit or miss. It will really reak havoc on them. Such a bad idea.

Nov 22nd 2012 new

(Quote) Brian-699857 said: I'm actually coming to the point now since the lock's been taken off the henhouse...
(Quote) Brian-699857 said:



I'm actually coming to the point now since the lock's been taken off the henhouse of just giving up on society. Maybe it's time to thin the heard and let them kill themselves off. I posted this in another thread a few days ago that looks like it was removed since my last visit.

Just got done evaluating my health care benefits for 2013, and who wouldn't have guessed the changes implemented by Obamacare raised my costs...and not just by the slow drip that takes place every year...my deductible goes up by another $180/yr, and my out of pocket maximum goes up by 60%...all for these nine changes?

PLAN CHANGES REQUIRED BY HEALTH CARE REFORM
These changes are required by the Patie
nt Protection and Affordable Care Act (“PPACA” or the “Affordable Care Act”), also known as Health Care Reform.

The following preventive care services will be 100 percent covered, with no deductible.

HPV DNA screening
STI counseling
HIV screening and counseling
Generic contraceptives and brand contraceptives for which a generic equivalent isn’t available.
Contraception counseling
Sterilization procedures
Breastfeeding support, counseling, supplies, and equipment
Gestational diabetes screening
Well-woman preventive care visits and additional well-woman visits as recommended by your physician

I'm not going to go into a dissertation about the first 8 (really the first 7, diabetes screening is already covered under Well-woman care in the plan, don't know why they had it listed twice) and I've already had a drag out war on fb over this. But it is the fact that since I no longer have any choice in regards to ideological preference in any offered plan, and my rates skyrocketed this year compared to previous annual increases, I'm through caring about other people's medical problems.



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Brian: I would venture to guess that none of the above 100-percent free would relate to you. They all have to do with
sex and reproduction-related issues. Well, now the real sting of Obamacare is hitting the masses and it is too late to
do anything about it. America has been duped I feel. I don't want to pay for other people's medical problems either.
Paying for ourselves is expensive enough.

Nov 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Brian-699857 said: I'm actually coming to the point now since the lock's been taken off the henhouse...
(Quote) Brian-699857 said:



I'm actually coming to the point now since the lock's been taken off the henhouse of just giving up on society. Maybe it's time to thin the heard and let them kill themselves off. I posted this in another thread a few days ago that looks like it was removed since my last visit.

Just got done evaluating my health care benefits for 2013, and who wouldn't have guessed the changes implemented by Obamacare raised my costs...and not just by the slow drip that takes place every year...my deductible goes up by another $180/yr, and my out of pocket maximum goes up by 60%...all for these nine changes?

PLAN CHANGES REQUIRED BY HEALTH CARE REFORM
These changes are required by the Patie
nt Protection and Affordable Care Act (“PPACA” or the “Affordable Care Act”), also known as Health Care Reform.

The following preventive care services will be 100 percent covered, with no deductible.

HPV DNA screening
STI counseling
HIV screening and counseling
Generic contraceptives and brand contraceptives for which a generic equivalent isn’t available.
Contraception counseling
Sterilization procedures
Breastfeeding support, counseling, supplies, and equipment
Gestational diabetes screening
Well-woman preventive care visits and additional well-woman visits as recommended by your physician

I'm not going to go into a dissertation about the first 8 (really the first 7, diabetes screening is already covered under Well-woman care in the plan, don't know why they had it listed twice) and I've already had a drag out war on fb over this. But it is the fact that since I no longer have any choice in regards to ideological preference in any offered plan, and my rates skyrocketed this year compared to previous annual increases, I'm through caring about other people's medical problems.



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Hi Brian, I got hit at the beginning of the year. A raise of $700 a year on deductible and $128 more a month on premiums. When I called my insurance to see if I could go to an even lower plan (this one is $4200 deductible a year!) he said try and wait and pray that Obama doesn't get re elected. Well, that happened. The stinger for me is since I had a plan already (a grandfathered plan) I don't get the preventative care. In other words I am being penalized for always carrying individual coverage eyepopping I have to take a new plan if I want those "perks" which will raise my premiums even higher. I tried to warn as many people as possible from a personal experience view and as you well know they didn't listen. I was at my sister's and my brother in law is a doctor and he was raving about how great Obamacare is. HA!!!! wait till he has to deal with the real issues of it. He is ob-gyn and would never do an abortion....well now he will be forced to. I just said, 'well, the first thing I would do is have someone read it' LOL!! Can't fight on Thanksgiving:)
We will get through this. The martyrs for Jesus suffered much more. We need to follow in His footsteps. They didn't even have health insurance in His day:)

Nov 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: Brian: I would venture to guess that none of the above 100-percent free would relate t...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:



Brian: I would venture to guess that none of the above 100-percent free would relate to you. They all have to do with
sex and reproduction-related issues. Well, now the real sting of Obamacare is hitting the masses and it is too late to
do anything about it. America has been duped I feel. I don't want to pay for other people's medical problems either.
Paying for ourselves is expensive enough.

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You're right, none of it applies to me personally. But the bigger issue is how it affects people who maitain a healthy lifestyle. For almost 24 years, I've carried the same plan, and only twice in that time span have I used benefits that go over the threshold for the deductible. Still, even with the annual increases, I've always considered the plan fairly comprehensive and affordable. So, I get it that I'm one of those individuals on the outlier side of the spectrum when it comes to needing medical care. But when you carry coverage as a hedge against something unexpected, and they make changes to a plan that primarily affect people's personal sexual lifestyle habits (those were the first seven I listed), and then mandate everyone pay for it as a tax, and then have the nerve to raise my rates by that much to cover it...all I can say is society better not come looking for any more charity from me because I no longer care.

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