(Quote) Charles-512043 said: Trust me, I have no intention of getting into a lengthy Iraq War debate here either. Since the...
(Quote) Charles-512043 said:
Trust me, I have no intention of getting into a lengthy Iraq War debate here either. Since the discussion was about pre-emptive war, I only mentioned it as it is the most glaring modern example.
This discussion started from the suggestion that drones were a form of pre-emptive war and that JWT did not contradict pre-emptive war. This is what I was addressing. Any discussion of tactics and strategy are of secondary importance to this matter. First the war needs to be justified.
It's really not a good example though. Without wishing to get into a discussion about who's right and who's wrong, it's fairly hard to really call the Iraq war truly/purely preventative. For those who accept that there was a long list of reasons for the war, such as Saddam's ongoing tyranny, or ongoing support for suicide bombers in Israel, etc. those were current, immediate objects and it was too late to preempt them. Of course many hold that the war was about WMD's...BUT a good chunk of those people also believe that Bush deliberately lied and knew that they weren't there. Under that theory, the war was actually about stealing oil, or getting revenge for daddy, or making money for defense contractors etc. None of that is pre-emptive either. The only folks who are really in a position to claim the war was entirely preventative are those who hold that The One True Reason for going to war was the WMD's and that Bush made a mistake (be it honest or through negligence) on that point. Those people are fairly rare.
I generally don't bother arguing the point as I prefer to simply attack the notion that pre-emptive warfare is inherently immoral, thereby rendering moot the point of calling the Iraq war pre-emptive.
Better examples of modern pre-emptive attacks would be Pearl Harbor or the British attack on the French fleet after German over ran France in WWII. Right off the top of my head I can't come up with any examples of an entire war, be it modern, ancient, or in between, that was totally preventative in its nature. I'm not saying that such an example doesn't exist. But I can't think of one. Individual attacks, sure, but a whole war? I'd have to work on it.
And in any case, the drones themselves are not inherently pre-emptive in nature anyway. They are most closely akin to snipers, although the recently offered submarine analogy isn't bad either.