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Dec 19th 2012 new
(Quote) Ray-566531 said: Darn it, Lina -- you nitpicker.... Ya got me, Lina. I misspoke. My focus was on the happiness th...
(Quote) Ray-566531 said:

Darn it, Lina -- you nitpicker....



Ya got me, Lina. I misspoke. My focus was on the happiness theme. Add to that the fact the post was typed in the wee hours of the night and at least half of my brain was asleep (have fun with that one..... )



Thanks for setting the record straight.

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Ray would you rather Lina be a nose picker? laughing thumbsup Lina! is that something green on your thumb?
Dec 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Lina-796057 said: This is an area of stumbling for me, Ray, having been raised in a judgmental household whe...
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This is an area of stumbling for me, Ray, having been raised in a judgmental household where even my report card's A-minuses were not "good enough." Being told that God was like Jonathan Edwards' "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" vision, while learning different visions both at school and in my own readings. And having the light bulb slowly turn on around age 32 during Mass and hearing that we were adopted children of God. Adopted--consciously chosen by Him to be His!!

Someone once said that "happiness is an inside job." Meaning, it's up to us to choose to be happy. Our happiness does not have to be determined by outside circumstances. In a poem about two prisoners looking out their jail cell windows, "one saw mud, the other saw stars." I believe we CAN be happy here on earth, despite being divorced or widowed, despite having little money, despite physical mis-condition. We can be happy in "unhappy" situations. We don't have to LIKE the circumstances, but we can be happy people despite those miserable circumstances. Maybe this is one of the many paradoxes of our faith?

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Our views are often affected by our upbringing (environment), and certain events occuring our formative years seem to stick with us forever. If they are unpleasant events, they can be difficult to overcome. It's easy to accept the good.

Just for the record, we think you're ok -- despite your nitpicking.... laughing hug

Dec 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Clair-6292 said: Hot place = Florida?
(Quote) Clair-6292 said:

Hot place = Florida?
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Dear Heavenly Father, What Did I Do Wrong To End Up HERE?!?!?!? (In Florida, which has actually been the biggest blessing to me--I wouldn't be Catholic if not for coming here!!)

But yes... it is rather warm. wink




Michael

Dec 19th 2012 new

(Quote) Lina-796057 said: This will sidetrack the thread a little. I brought it up because Tim’s post stated an...
(Quote) Lina-796057 said:

This will sidetrack the thread a little.

I brought it up because Tim’s post stated an either/or situation regarding happiness, as though being happy here on earth was an impossibility. Of course, Ray, any earthly happiness is far inferior—like “seeing through a glass darkly”—to the supreme happiness experienced in Heaven. But to say we must be miserable here (especially in accepting God’s Will in our lives) is…an unfortunate statement to make. Perhaps Tim wrote incompletely and did not mean exactly what he wrote as it appeared. My question to him was sort of an elbow in his side, to see whether he’d write more of what he meant, if how it appeared to me was not exactly what he meant.

However, Ray, when you brought up “earning” Heaven, that agitated a different disagreement. We have Ephesians 2:8-9: “For it is by GRACE you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the GIFT of God—NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.” In an effort to show where Catholics and Protestants agree, CatholicAnswers.com cites “the fact we are saved by grace and do not earn our place in heaven, that we must all repent of our sins and have a ‘personal relationship’ with Christ.” We should not be doing good works out of fear, so as to buy a ticket into Heaven. In that case, we are just a clanging bell or a noisy cymbal. We do good works through our love for God and His creatures, as the bounty of His love in us spills out to others. Here is another quote from Catholic Answers:

"Protestants are often confused about the role Catholics believe good works play in salvation, so you should clear this up for the Fundamentalist you know. You should explain to him that we do not perform good works in order to enter a state of justification. The Council of Trent stated that "nothing which precedes justification, whether faith or works, merits the grace of justification" (Decree on Justification 8).

In fact, it is impossible for an unjustified person to do supernaturally good works, since these are based on the virtue of charity (supernatural love), which an unjustified person does not have. Good works therefore flow from our reception of justification; they do not cause us to enter a state of justification. Good works increase the righteousness we are given at justification and please God, who promises to give us supernatural rewards on the last day, including the gift of eternal life (Rom 2:6-7, Gal 6:6-10)." www.catholic.com

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Lisa, THANK YOU for this post. It is great to see Teaching here on these forums... one of the better things about this site for me as a fairly new Catholic.


Thanks again,


Michael

Dec 19th 2012 new

(Quote) CM men are you aware your role is to protect women? Are you willing to assume that roll?
(Quote) CM men are you aware your role is to protect women? Are you willing to assume that roll?
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Let me boast in the name of the Lord:

1. One time two-step dancing in South Carolina during a New Year's Eve night a fight broke out...I immediatly placed my hand on the small of her back to escort my dance partner off the dance floor to get her to safety...even though it was my friends in the fight...he was drunk.

2. In college, seven girls wanted to drive way out-of-town to see this old tree late one night. No other man wanted to go...I didn't want to go either, but I did. I lost some dating opportunities because of that in my opinion...I did not want to seem them found in a river...Go search for the Chain of Rocks Bridge killings...those girls who died lived down the street from me. One of their male cousins survived.

3. Finally, be a man in front of the women always....so when a play'r or bad man appears to court her,she will notice chasm between him and me. I helped many women to avoid dating that guy who was trouble; I treated him with respect and as it says "Give no resistence to evil." Amen.

Dec 19th 2012 new
(Quote) William-848056 said: Let me boast in the name of the Lord: 1. One time two-step dancing in South Ca...
(Quote) William-848056 said:



Let me boast in the name of the Lord:



1. One time two-step dancing in South Carolina during a New Year's Eve night a fight broke out...I immediatly placed my hand on the small of her back to escort my dance partner off the dance floor to get her to safety...even though it was my friends in the fight...he was drunk.



2. In college, seven girls wanted to drive way out-of-town to see this old tree late one night. No other man wanted to go...I didn't want to go either, but I did. I lost some dating opportunities because of that in my opinion...I did not want to seem them found in a river...Go search for the Chain of Rocks Bridge killings...those girls who died lived down the street from me. One of their male cousins survived.



3. Finally, be a man in front of the women always....so when a play'r or bad man appears to court her,she will notice chasm between him and me. I helped many women to avoid dating that guy who was trouble; I treated him with respect and as it says "Give no resistence to evil." Amen.

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Thanks William
Dec 19th 2012 new
I think in part Lina, the issue with happiness here on earth is that "happy" is an emotional state. Now emotions are good, but a terrible way to make decisions. So in some regards it makes little difference if we are happy or not. Grace, if we are open to it flows through us without feelings. In fact those in closer spiritual union with God go through the dark night of the soul where there arw no c
Dec 19th 2012 new
I hate my phone sometimes Anyway when in that state and above God takes away all the consulations that we are normally used to. God wants our love for His sake. Not for what we get from him. So Joy we can have on earth. Joy even in the face of pain. Happiness, well it comes and goes. True Joy will be when we see God face to face.
Dec 19th 2012 new

The words 'happiness' and 'joy' are often used interchangeably. Whatever consolations He may have granted us, and then taken away, we can still choose to be happy/joyful.

And trying to weave this back to the idea of the thread...if I can recall it anymore: men can be masculine in protecting a woman in many ways, especially in ways she might be erring in her beliefs, by gently correcting her; a woman can be feminine by gently loving the man to correction when he is mistaken, or, even sometimes, choosing to let matters drop.

Dec 20th 2012 new

(Quote) David-820720 said: Yes I know it's one role that I assume. Yes I have done it. Yes I would do it aga...
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Yes I know it's one role that I assume. Yes I have done it. Yes I would do it again. As far as when the world will turn back to God's will...God knows. But it's promised to us in the Book of Revelation.

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Amen! I too have acted (twice now) to protect a close, lady friend; some pathetic buzzards tried a "rufie" followed by the offer to make sure they get home safe. I thank God that my determined presence was enough to make the difference. It is painful that a few creeps tend to get all guys painted as deviants... and yet it provides the vehicle where by we can demonstrate that Christ lives in us to stand against evil if we allow Him.

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