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Dec 30th 2012 new

exactly what I have been trying to say!
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(Quote) Ryan-900446 said: Josephine, With all do respect and with a humble heart. The modern day feminist movement is...
(Quote) Ryan-900446 said:

Josephine,



With all do respect and with a humble heart. The modern day feminist movement is branded by the left and it has nothing to do with equal rights within society. It is nothing more than a political organizing tactic to group women up and direct them towards the path of socialism. At the same time comes social consequences that are desired by the left to destroy the relationship between men and women within loving relationships. There was a case for an equal rights movement in the US at one time but there is no such need in our society today. Any sentiment that still exists to make women feel as if they are being stomped on is purely for political gain.



I think you are taking your second paragraph way too far. You are grouping men up into a football team against women. This is exactly what the modern day feminist movement wants you to do. They want us to group each other up and point fingers at each other because it creates conflict and conflict is what they believe advances society.



Starting with your third paragraph, you start playing for the female football team. You are referring to a condition in society that has since eroded and you are wanting the other football team to accept their portion of the blame for it. What portion of the blame for the feminist movement am I guilty of? Ever since sin was introduced into the world the desire for conflict between men and women has existed among the forces of evil and so the modern day feminist movement was inevitable. Todays feminist movement is completely unrelated to how the feminist movement started out and has an entirely different purpose. Slowly over the years it was taken over by the left and turned into a political organizing scheme against the civil society.



In your fourth paragraph you continue to direct your opinion against men as if men are an opposing football team. I know there are some men out there that use the bible quotes you speak of to promote their belief that they should be able to dominate and control their wife against their will but I know that is not the case among Christian men in general. Basically it doesn't get any simpler than this, a marriage should reflect the relationship between Christ and the church. That means men are to love their wives as Jesus loved the church (his people) but woman are to submit to their husbands as we (the church) submit to Jesus.



I ended my last paragraph speaking of marriage but how is it that we merge the issue of inequality in society with our roles as husband and wife in marriage? We merge them because that is what the feminist movement wants us to do in order to destroy God's plan of order within marriage. In reality they are two separate subjects. On a day to day basis I see no mistreatment of women by men in general within our society so it seems you are promoting a condition within society that doesn't exist and you merge that nonexistent condition in with marriage. If there are individual cases that support your opinion then by all means speak of them but the way you worded this speaks of a football game that the feminist movement itself actively promotes. I am not playing for any football team. I believe there are common issues among younger women and younger men from my own perspective as a young man but I never prejudge anyone and treat others as individuals.
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Thank you Ryan. With a humble and loving heart also, I disagree. I read everything you said and I stand firmly with what I said. I am not going to rehash what I've said. I respect you have you opinion.

If women were treated with respect before the feminist movement, those women would not feel the need to stand up for themselves. You said in your last para that you see no mistreatment. Well that is NOW. Yes, there is less mistreatment NOW, but not before when women were subject to their husbands because they had no skills to support themselve if they were in bad marriages.

All I can say to you Ryan, with the best intentions, is that if you find a good wife to love, that you do not treat her as a subordinate and if she is educated and works that you do not feel intimidated by that as it seems to me that many men are.
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Dec 30th 2012 new

(Quote) Ryan-900446 said: Patrick, the fact that women are equal to men in society and should remain equal to men in societ...
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Patrick, the fact that women are equal to men in society and should remain equal to men in society has nothing to do with our roles within loving relationships and in marriage. I don't know where you get the idea that in order for men to be useful we have to be the providers of material. God didn't create women to desire a man purely because he can provide shelter or any other material need. Obviously he created woman to provide for their own material needs. There is a spiritual desire that we have for each other as men and women that brings us together. We are individuals.
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A very wise observation, Ryan. Who I am in my job had nothing to do with who I was in my marriage and who I am outside the office. God expects us to use the gifts we have been given responsibly. In a marriage, God has given us excellent guidelines. It has been my experience that those guidelines work out pretty well when followed. I am quite secure in being the woman God intended me to be in a sacrificial marriage and thriving under the protection and guidance of a man who accepts the responsibility and honor that God intended him to have. I find myself a bit baffled at what appears to be a battle between the sexes. I guess I have been out of touch and missed the chaos.


- Elizabeth

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Dec 30th 2012 new

(Quote) Ryan-900446 said: Patrick, the fact that women are equal to men in society and should remain equal to men in societ...
(Quote) Ryan-900446 said:

Patrick, the fact that women are equal to men in society and should remain equal to men in society has nothing to do with our roles within loving relationships and in marriage. I don't know where you get the idea that in order for men to be useful we have to be the providers of material. God didn't create women to desire a man purely because he can provide shelter or any other material need. Obviously he created woman to provide for their own material needs. There is a spiritual desire that we have for each other as men and women that brings us together. You are promoting the man vs woman struggle and playing for the male football team. We are not groups of men and woman playing against each other on football teams. We are individuals.
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Ryan,.. since the begining of,... whenever,. the man has always provided and protected the women. You may not recall because you are rather young. But, those of us in the older generation, had parents that did exactly this. The father provided/protected the family, while the wife helped in raising the family. Why do roles have to be changed now, or as you want them, to be equal? Again, FEMINISM really destroyed alot of people, on both sides of the aisle!

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Dec 31st 2012 new
(Quote) Josephine-586127 said:All I can say to you Ryan, with the best intentions, is that if you find a good wife to love, that you do not treat he...
(Quote) Josephine-586127 said:All I can say to you Ryan, with the best intentions, is that if you find a good wife to love, that you do not treat her as a subordinate and if she is educated and works that you do not feel intimidated by that as it seems to me that many men are.
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I replied to your statement not to convince you otherwise but to provide food for thought for others that might read this thread. I agree that women should be equal with men in society and that has already been accomplished in the US so there is no need to press that issue. We are also equal in the eyes of God however we have different roles within marriage. One of my most important points I was trying to make is to not let the feminist movement dictate marriage to us. The biggest issue I see here is that we confuse our roles within society with our roles within marriage. You keep trying to tie the past feminist movement in with the present but clearly the movement is not trying to accomplish a goal that has already been accomplished. Socialist academia owns the feminist brand now and they will infinitely try to agitate women against whatever they want them to be against in order to push their socialist agenda.

Regarding your last statement, read my response to Patrick before my original reply to you.
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Dec 31st 2012 new
(Quote) Patrick-235584 said: Ryan,.. since the begining of,... whenever,. the man h...
(Quote) Patrick-235584 said:








Ryan,.. since the begining of,... whenever,. the man has always provided and protected the women.

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I will say this again. It is important to distinguish between society and marriage. Men and women were created by God as equals in his eyes and so we are to be equal within our society. If husbands are only good to provide for a wifes material need, then as you say, we truly are useless. I don't know about you but I want a woman to love me for who I am as a person, not because I have the ability to provide material.

In marriage on the other hand I agree with you. Husbands have the responsibility to be the primary providers, and if our financial means agree, I would rather see her be a stay at home mom. Wives should be delighted in that role.

I have said a lot about feminism as well on these forums and it is our responsibility not to let feminism dictate to us how our Christian marriages should be.
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Dec 31st 2012 new

I have seen this post or something similar to it on two other CM posts. I have
study this for over twenty years. I was Sociology major in college, a liberal
arts college. I was in a fraternity, worked campus security and was a deputy
sheriff. I was in National Guard has an Infantry Soldier who went to Ranger
school during the first Gulf War. I was also working has a volunteer at a rape
crisis center, and a battered woman's shelter. I was trained as a mid-wife, a
family, and relationship counselor. I am only telling you this to give you some
background, and that is only some background. I can and could write volumes on
this subject. I have noticed there is this illusion that Men and Woman are
equal, we are not. We are designed differently that is a scientific fact. Much
of the world is still and probably always will be ruled by the rule of might. I
suggested reading T.H. White's "Once and Future King". A vast
majority of your police, corrections, military, sanitation, construction,
freight, heavy manufacturing are heavily male dominated occupations. Forget
your G. I. Jane’s; they do not exist in reality. I have serve with many good
female soldiers, some have tried to prove me wrong, but none have been or were
able to keep up with me, especially consistently. Our military is weak, and our
enemies know it. I am the father of a sixteen year old, and many of our young
men are lost, they do not know what it means to be a man, they believe they are
not need. I tell I have heard that all my life from women how much they do not
need a man, but when the rule of law fails which it often does, and what
supports the rule of law? Many of my contemporary feminist friends agree with
me that many of the wars/operations we are involved in have the underlining
effect of promoting feminist/social ideology to the determent of the family
unit. The feminist movement has lost its moral compass, has others have said, “Why
buy the cow, when so many of the cows are giving away the milk for free”. Like
I said, I could write volumes, this ideology hurts us all. Many of the females
outside the U.S. have noticed, and do not want to be like us with our high
divorce rate, children out of wedlock, single parent homes, etc…; just look at
the social statistics why would you want to be like us? Men, if you have attended
That Man Is You! (TMIY), you already know what I am talking about. I had
once started a Singles Group at my church several years ago; it did not turn
out well. I would consider very, if any of the woman there virtuous, to put it
simply as the saying goes, “ “tis better to travel alone than with rouges
company”. I attend a Marriage Encounter session that was open to singles in our
diocese, I was the only single person to attend, I mention it because they were
showing “Love & Respect” by Dr. Emerson & Sarah Eggerichs, thou not
Catholic, and many were surprised by what they had to offer, and thought the
program was really well worth it, perhaps you should check it out. I believe
many of the contemporary feminists in other countries see through the American
Feminists and do not wish to join her, and some of the woman in this country
are finally possibly waking up and stop believing all the feminist propaganda. This is just a few scattered thoughts on the
subject. Mothers what would you tell your sons? What does a Father tell his
daughter? Respect is a two way street, and we, man can change the rules too.
Look at other countries what is happening, start with Russia, or Italy, and go
to the bone. History often repeats itself, and Nature will always correct
itself.

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Dec 31st 2012 new
(Quote) Kathleen-5781 said: http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/the-view-schooled-on-traditional-marriage/ Just saw this in the news...<...
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Just saw this in the news...
Any thoughts ... has society changed us women so that men are thinking we don't need them ? Are men confused as to what it is to be a man and women confused as to what it is being a woman? I know it is a big question and we are all unique but I think there may be some truth to this.. Kathleen



Suzanne Venker, a conservative pundit and author of the soon-to-be-published by WND Books“How to Choose a Husband,”has taken her perspectives on men, women and marriage, which she sums up as “The War on Men,” to the women of “The View” on ABC.



Joining Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Behar, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Sherri Sheppard and guest Mike Tyson on the set of “The View,” the conversation shifted to Venker’s recent FoxNews.com article“The War on Men,”in which she argued that the empowered modern female was turning men off from the idea of marriage.



Sheppard introduced Venker, stating, “Conservative author Suzanne Venker had heads spinning when she claimed that successful women are waging a war on men that has resulted in lazy men who aren’t interested in marriage and angry powerful women who are still playing the victim.”



Tyson, at one time the heavyweight champion of boxing and a convicted rapist, let out a powerful, albeit high-pitched, “Yeah” when Sheppard finished her introduction of Venker.



“I’m asking women to shine a spotlight on what has happened over the past 40 years, with the rise of women. Today’s generation of women are told not depend on a man, what’s happened is that they are carrying it with them into their relationships. It’s more contentious in the relationship,” said Venker.



“Men want to feel needed. Just because we’ve proven we can do anything men can do, doesn’t mean they want to hear it,” said Venker.



“We are teaching women that equality means sameness; if you are trying to be like a man, you’ll end up doing this. If we want lasting love, we should be allowed to have women act with femininity and men with masculinity. ”



Both Goldberg and Behar attacked Venker’s arguments, with Goldberg bringing up the 1950s image of a distressed housewife chained to her kitchen as the type of scenario Venker would like to see return.



Before Venker could even answer, Tyson interjected with a rambling story of his wife at home.





In an interview with WND, Venker said of Tyson’s commentary: “It was very helpful. The things that he did say were good at deflecting what could have been said. Whoopi and Joy were coming in for the kill, and Mike Tyson did a great job of deflecting.”



Venker said it’s not “a political conversation, it’s about marriage and love.”



“I was trying to keep it light so that, one, they’d invite me back and also to be able to deflect. Luckily, Tyson helped deflect the attacks from both Behar and Goldberg.”



Hasselbeck asked Venker asked how men are evolving to deal with empowered women, but before she could answer, the conversation shifted.



Asked by WND to address Hasselbeck’s question, Venker said: “Men don’t need women to be wives anymore. The dating world has changed dramatically, the chase concept, whether you call it courting or demonstrating value to a potential partner and making that really drawn out and worthwhile is gone. Now, it’s like, ‘Hello, let’s have sex.’ When did you believe that men were going to want, or need, to get married when this scenario exists?



“While many women want to get married, do men need to get married anymore when the ‘empowered’ woman allows this situation to continue? That’s how men are evolving,” said Venker.



Venker also took issue with Goldberg castigating the 1950s, telling WND: “I take issue that 1950s housewives were a mess … that every woman from that era is a caricature of June Cleaver. You’re basically talking about your mothers and grandmothers. Women are basically saying their mothers and grandmothers lives were a joke.



“I take issue that this time period was the worst time of being a mother. It’s a script that women were sold on, that being a housewife in the 1950s was oppressive. I don’t agree with that all,” she said.



Venker’s book,“How to Choose a Husband,”will be published Feb. 5, 2013.





In it, Venker notes that 40 years after the sexual revolution women of America have everything they want. Everything, that is, except a husband. Women may be schooled in the art of sex, she says, but they have failed in the art of love.



She says the modern generation is living in a culture that isn’t the least bit interested in helping them get hitched. For decades women have been taught to sleep around indiscriminately, to pursue an education and career at all costs, and to never depend on a man.



As a result, women delay marriage indefinitely or ignore it altogether, as though marriage has no bearing on their happiness. As though it were a nice idea, or nice accompaniment to an otherwise satisfying life.



This is an unprecedented worldview. Until recently, women have always mapped out their lives according to what they considered their most important role: wife and mother. Today, women plan their entire futures around big careers. Husband and children come last.



In“How to Choose a Husband,”Venker says American women need a detox.



If they want to be happy, or just plain satisfied, they must do a 180 when it comes to their attitude toward sex, courtship and married life.



If they do, marriageable men will reappear – and women will find the love that eludes them.



Venker’s previous book,“The Flipside of Feminism,”earned high praise from Focus on the Family founder James Dobson.



“Certain moments happen in all our lives that seem to be of incredible import. I would venture to say this could be one of those moments,” Dobson said as the authors of “The Flipside of Feminism,” Venker and Phyllis Schlafly, joined him on his program, “FamilyTalk.”



The book explains that since the 1960s, American feminists have set themselves up as the arbiters of all things female. Their policies have dominated the social and political landscape. The “spin sisters” in the media and their cohorts in academia are committed feminists. Consequently, everything Americans know – or think they know – about marriage, kids, sex, education, politics, gender roles and the work-family balance has been filtered through a left-wing lens.



But the book asserts that it is conservative women who actually are “in the best position to empower American women.”



Read more at www.wnd.com

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I didn't have time to check the whole thread so forgive me in case i am repeating something you already post it.

I like this quote: "I love you not because I need you, But I need you because I love you."

and this one too, in my way :) I love you not only because of who you are (or what you can give me) but because of who i am when i am with you! (completing each other and feeling complete)

I love you not only because of what you can give me but also for what you can take from me. This is how life is meant to be men and women in need of each other. It should be balanced with different ingredients of needs. LOVE is the recipy. theheart
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(Quote) Ryan-900446 said: I will say this again. It is important to distinguish between society and marriage. Men a...
(Quote) Ryan-900446 said:

I will say this again. It is important to distinguish between society and marriage. Men and women were created by God as equals in his eyes and so we are to be equal within our society. If husbands are only good to provide for a wifes material need, then as you say, we truly are useless. I don't know about you but I want a woman to love me for who I am as a person, not because I have the ability to provide material.

In marriage on the other hand I agree with you. Husbands have the responsibility to be the primary providers, and if our financial means agree, I would rather see her be a stay at home mom. Wives should be delighted in that role.

I have said a lot about feminism as well on these forums and it is our responsibility not to let feminism dictate to us how our Christian marriages should be.
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ummm,.. question,.. where do you get the notion that God created men and women as equals?

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(Quote) Ryan-900446 said: Men and women were created by God as equals in his eyes and so we are to be equal within our soci...
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Men and women were created by God as equals in his eyes and so we are to be equal within our society.
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This would be very wrong, Ryan. If we were created to be equal we would have been created the same in every way, thus to be able to exist and thrive in the absense of the other. You know as well as I do that is not true, nor could it ever be.


God created us different and for very specific reasons. Man and woman were created to be the companion to each other, to complement. It is only when man and woman come together that this world that God created can truly prosper and grow. If man and woman were created equal there wouldn't be man and woman. Woman was created to be what man was never intended to be, and why man would have never survived without her.


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