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Dec 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) David-820720 said: The term: "crazy people" is a very pejorative term. I've seen "nor...
(Quote) David-820720 said:




The term: "crazy people" is a very pejorative term. I've seen "normal" people also make bad decisions

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Oh, I make no claim that the "crazy people" are the only ones that are making bad decisions.

And crazy people may be a very pejorative term, but when we're talking about folks shooting up elementary schools, I don't know that it's out of line either.

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Dec 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: Oh, I make no claim that the "crazy people" are the only ones that are making b...
(Quote) John-336509 said:

Oh, I make no claim that the "crazy people" are the only ones that are making bad decisions.

And crazy people may be a very pejorative term, but when we're talking about folks shooting up elementary schools, I don't know that it's out of line either.

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Here is a second problem. What is a crazy person these days? When the docs of mentally ill claim everything is normal? Look how

homosexually has lost it place in "crazy Behavior".

Patrick Magohhon who wrote the TV show the prisoner had this to say, .

““I've always been obsessed with the ideas of prisons in a liberal democratic
society. I believe in democracy, but the inherent danger is that with an excess of freedom
in all directions we will eventually destroy ourselves.”

I think it fits in with the bigger problem of the breakdown of society

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Dec 23rd 2012 new

I agree. Armed teachers and/or securtiy guards would make our schools much safer.

(Quote) Steven-706921 said: I would like to see schools not be soft targets either. But I think allowing and training teache...
(Quote) Steven-706921 said:

I would like to see schools not be soft targets either. But I think allowing and training teachers to be the armed safety, or what I am calling "deputization", would have the advantage of allowing those that are in charge of education to participate in the provision of the distributive good of public safety.

Do we really need to outsource, or make our schools into prisons in the name of professionalization?

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Dec 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Joseph-841276 said: Here is a second problem. What is a crazy person these days? When the docs of mentally ...
(Quote) Joseph-841276 said:

Here is a second problem. What is a crazy person these days? When the docs of mentally ill claim everything is normal? Look how

homosexually has lost it place in "crazy Behavior".

Patrick Magohhon who wrote the TV show the prisoner had this to say, .

““I've always been obsessed with the ideas of prisons in a liberal democratic
society. I believe in democracy, but the inherent danger is that with an excess of freedom
in all directions we will eventually destroy ourselves.”

I think it fits in with the bigger problem of the breakdown of society

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Revolutionism ends in an ungovernable society, which is the segway into totalitarian. At that point, the state becomes the arbiter of all, even to the point of claiming deity.

The problem is that psychology may well become a tool to further gun control by declaring normal behavior as sick, which is the flip side of the pathology you described. Indeed, that was the root of my objection to the permanent removal of 2nd amendment rights to those deemed "mentally ill"; in the Soviet Union and Communist countries it was common to place dissidents into mental hospitals to be tormented for opposing the revolution.

en.wikipedia.org

buzz.naturalnews.com

That's right. Counter-revolutionary ideas and actions (which were decided by the gov't, BTW) were considered a disease.

There are signs that this may be the tactic may be used here.

www.naturalnews.com

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Dec 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Steven-706921 said: Revolutionism ends in an ungovernable society, which is the segway into totalitarian. A...
(Quote) Steven-706921 said:

Revolutionism ends in an ungovernable society, which is the segway into totalitarian. At that point, the state becomes the arbiter of all, even to the point of claiming deity.

The problem is that psychology may well become a tool to further gun control by declaring normal behavior as sick, which is the flip side of the pathology you described. Indeed, that was the root of my objection to the permanent removal of 2nd amendment rights to those deemed "mentally ill"; in the Soviet Union and Communist countries it was common to place dissidents into mental hospitals to be tormented for opposing the revolution.

en.wikipedia.org

buzz.naturalnews.com

That's right. Counter-revolutionary ideas and actions (which were decided by the gov't, BTW) were considered a disease.

There are signs that this may be the tactic may be used here.

www.naturalnews.com

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What came to my mind as I read your post, Steven, is that I am probably on a list at Homeland Security. I am very conservative, a staunch Catholic, member of the NRA and a gun owner. Oh what a difference 200 years makes. Back then, I would have been a patriot sewing American flags, providing a warm meal to American soldiers and hiding weapons for them in the basement.


- Elizabeth

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Dec 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: Why are you talking about automatic weapons? You do realize that they weren't used, d...
(Quote) John-336509 said:

Why are you talking about automatic weapons? You do realize that they weren't used, don't you?

And if "You cannot even pull a gun and point it in that time to defend yourself" how is it that you explain the fact that police officers and soldiers do exactly that every day?

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Automatic weapons have been registered and taxed (expensively) under the National Firearms Act of 1934. The registry was closed in 1986, so there are no legal automatic weapons made outside of the police and Military. All those under the NFA are collector items, the cheapest is $5000.00 for the gun itself, but loads of legal hoops that are well neigh insurmountable.

They are not an issue. If you mean to ban Semi-automatic guns, that is the majority of guns owned in the U.S., including about all handguns used for self-defense.

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(Quote) Elizabeth-462557 said: What came to my mind as I read your post, Steven, is that I am probably on a lis...
(Quote) Elizabeth-462557 said:


What came to my mind as I read your post, Steven, is that I am probably on a list at Homeland Security. I am very conservative, a staunch Catholic, member of the NRA and a gun owner. Oh what a difference 200 years makes. Back then, I would have been a patriot sewing American flags, providing a warm meal to American soldiers and hiding weapons for them in the basement.


- Elizabeth

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I am a pro-lifer who is the head of a chapter of Right to Life and a Ron Paul supporter. I am also as outspoken against the wars fought by the US outside CM as in.

I am on the DHS hassle list if anyone is.

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Dec 23rd 2012 new

(Quote) Steven-706921 said: I am a pro-lifer who is the head of a chapter of Right to Life and a Ron Paul supporter...
(Quote) Steven-706921 said:

I am a pro-lifer who is the head of a chapter of Right to Life and a Ron Paul supporter. I am also as outspoken against the wars fought by the US outside CM as in.

I am on the DHS hassle list if anyone is.

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Congratulations, Steven. I am glad to be in such good company.


- Elizabeth

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Dec 23rd 2012 new
Interesting subject, I pray each and everyone one of us can do something to make a change. I felt i need to share this speech with you, and what is said supports the view point of many posters here!!
COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER !!
Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:
"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death.

Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"

- Darrell Scott

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Dec 23rd 2012 new
Therese, What an awesome post! This needs to be circulated. Very powerful. God bless. John
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