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Dec 24th 2012 new

(Quote) Jerry-74383 said: There are a lot of former seminarians, who were booted after failing "psychological ...
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said:

There are a lot of former seminarians, who were booted after failing "psychological tests" administered because they had such radical ideas as wanting to pray the rosary, who will tell you how well this idea will work.

Who is going to define the criteria for exclusion or ensure the tests provide an accurate assessment of those criteria? The gummit that is trying so hard to take away the right to bear arms?

All of which assumes that psychologists can even come up with a valid test for this purpose. Modern psychology is significantly flawed in that its understanding of the nature of man is based not on the philosophical understanding of the nature of man that has been developed over many centuries, but on a statistical analysis of what man is today -- a reference point that has been skewed by centuries of secular humanistic influences (c.f. Fr. Chad Ripperger, Ph.D., Introduction to the Science of Mental Health).

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Psychologists do not have an objective definition of mental health, unlike the physical medical practice which can define objective criteria for conditions such as high blood pressure, heart disease, COPD, or diabetes. How a person "feels" and whether that is to be considered "normal" is very subjective and, as you correctly note, is conditional upon secular humanistic influences.

Even with that, a large amount of the "mental health infrastructure" requests sound even more fishy and self-serving when you consider that the main beneficiary, other than the government by having more people administratively stripped from full citizenship, is big Pharma.

The FDA, when petitioned by Dr. Irving Kirsch of the University of Connecticut under the Freedom of Information Act, released the full files on the six most widely perscribed antidepressants approved between 1987 & 1999. Of 47 trials conducted on the drugs (Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Effexor, Serzone, & Celexa), only 20 showed measurable advantages over placebos, which was much a much lower ratio than reported in published literature. It turns out also that the average patient improvement on the drugs was 10 on the Hamilton Depression Rating Scale versus 8 on placebos. While clinically meaningless, especially with side effects considered, it was enough to allow the drugs to be approved as effective by the FDA, where a drug only has to be shown to be 15% more effective than a placebo in two (2) clinical trials - no matter how many failed trials you have to get there.

Source: Michael Murray, M.D., "What the Drug Companies Won't Tell You and Your Doctor Doesn't Know", pp 156-157

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Dec 24th 2012 new

(Quote) Therese-668052 said: Interesting subject, I pray each and everyone one of us can do something to make a change. I felt i ne...
(Quote) Therese-668052 said: Interesting subject, I pray each and everyone one of us can do something to make a change. I felt i need to share this speech with you, and what is said supports the view point of many posters here!!
COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER !!
Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:
"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death.

Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"

- Darrell Scott

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Thank you for posting this. It is important for us to know that those most affected by this kind of tragedy have not caved to the mindless diatribe of the godless and anti-american dupes who populate so much of our media, our bureaucracies, and our legislators.

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Dec 24th 2012 new
(Quote) Elizabeth-462557 said: Congratulations, Steven. I am glad to be in such good company. - El...
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Congratulations, Steven. I am glad to be in such good company.




- Elizabeth

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I'm probably there with you both! Guess I'll find out the next time I try to board a plane. And I used to be a Boy Scout; that may clinch it!
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Dec 24th 2012 new

(Quote) Edward-512961 said: I'm probably there with you both! Guess I'll find out the next time I try to board a pl...
(Quote) Edward-512961 said:

I'm probably there with you both! Guess I'll find out the next time I try to board a plane. And I used to be a Boy Scout; that may clinch it!
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After considering your post Edward, I think there is no doubt that I am on that list...I used to be a Girl Scout.


- Elizabeth

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Dec 25th 2012 new

(Quote) Edward-512961 said: I'm probably there with you both! Guess I'll find out the next time I try to board a pl...
(Quote) Edward-512961 said:

I'm probably there with you both! Guess I'll find out the next time I try to board a plane. And I used to be a Boy Scout; that may clinch it!
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I was a Boy Scout too, and even made Eagle. That'll clinch it for sure.

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Dec 25th 2012 new

(Quote) Elizabeth-462557 said: Congratulations, Steven. I am glad to be in such good company. - Eliz...
(Quote) Elizabeth-462557 said:


Congratulations, Steven. I am glad to be in such good company.


- Elizabeth

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I'm happy to stand with you both! theheart

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Dec 25th 2012 new

(Quote) Steven-706921 said: I am a pro-lifer who is the head of a chapter of Right to Life and a Ron Paul supporter...
(Quote) Steven-706921 said:

I am a pro-lifer who is the head of a chapter of Right to Life and a Ron Paul supporter. I am also as outspoken against the wars fought by the US outside CM as in.

I am on the DHS hassle list if anyone is.

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Speaking of the man who should have been elected President:

www.foxnews.com

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Dec 25th 2012 new

(Quote) Steven-706921 said: Psychologists do not have an objective definition of mental health, unlike the physical...
(Quote) Steven-706921 said:

Psychologists do not have an objective definition of mental health, unlike the physical medical practice which can define objective criteria for conditions such as high blood pressure, heart disease, COPD, or diabetes. How a person "feels" and whether that is to be considered "normal" is very subjective and, as you correctly note, is conditional upon secular humanistic influences.

Even with that, a large amount of the "mental health infrastructure" requests sound even more fishy and self-serving when you consider that the main beneficiary, other than the government by having more people administratively stripped from full citizenship, is big Pharma.

The FDA, when petitioned by Dr. Irving Kirsch of the University of Connecticut under the Freedom of Information Act, released the full files on the six most widely perscribed antidepressants approved between 1987 & 1999. Of 47 trials conducted on the drugs (Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Effexor, Serzone, & Celexa), only 20 showed measurable advantages over placebos, which was much a much lower ratio than reported in published literature. It turns out also that the average patient improvement on the drugs was 10 on the Hamilton Depression Rating Scale versus 8 on placebos. While clinically meaningless, especially with side effects considered, it was enough to allow the drugs to be approved as effective by the FDA, where a drug only has to be shown to be 15% more effective than a placebo in two (2) clinical trials - no matter how many failed trials you have to get there.

Source: Michael Murray, M.D., "What the Drug Companies Won't Tell You and Your Doctor Doesn't Know", pp 156-157

www.amazon.com

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I agree Steven. The idea of some kind of phychological "test" to qualify for gun ownership is a VERY open door for gun-control government bureaucrats to create a profile based on questionable objective definitions as to what constitutes "mentally heathy enough to own a gun", thus giving the government great powers to deny citizens their constitutional rights under the 2nd amendment. It is a clear violation of due process, but I'm sure we will see the usual gun-control zealots pushing for it along with every other scheme to destroy the right to bear arms. A Blessed Christmas to all this day!

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Dec 26th 2012 new

Question, would they consider any one that is labeled a "bigot" mentally unhealthy?
If so I guess I would fail. I eat at Chick-fil-a!Chicken???

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Dec 26th 2012 new

(Quote) Joseph-841276 said: Question, would they ...
(Quote) Joseph-841276 said:

Question, would they consider any one that is labeled a "bigot" mentally unhealthy?
If so I guess I would fail. I eat at Chick-fil-a!

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Given the subjectivity of the psychological profession, and the involvement of government in supporting diagnosis that support it's goals, we should not be surprised if we see "heterosexism", and even "defensive paranoia" become reasons to diagnosis away our rights.

I've posted previously how psychology was abused in the Soviet Union (which I will repost here), and there is every reason to believe it may be employed to similar ends here. The war against the 2nd Amendment is a war against the foundation of our nation, and since revolutionism looks to externalites and the phyisological for motivations because it has "biologized" the Pneuma (the soul, or Spirit) of man, we should not be surprised when it comes into play.

en.wikipedia.org

One possible example where this has happened already is the case of Brandon Raub, a U.S. Marine veteran who was incarcerated and confined to a mental hospital after some posts in Facebook, including one seen as "terroristic" where he was posting some lyrics to one of his favorite bands.

libertycrier.com

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