(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:
I am not sure why you stated that I was being sarcastic. I stated that Sara made a ver...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:
I am not sure why you stated that I was being sarcastic. I stated that Sara made a very clear statement about
Romantic love, and John asked her to elaborate or explain. I did not thin that was necessary.
If Sara feels that way, and she stated clearly that she does, there is no need to ask her to explain. She is
entitled to posting her opinion.
This whole topic of gay men and gay women is very complex. A murderer is a murderer, in the eyes of God and
in the eyes of the law. To not be a murderer, that person would have to just not commit murder.
Every day of his life before the murder was not clouded or confused by his title of "murderer."
As far as same-sex attraction, just the concept of appreciating the same sex, possibly from very early on in their
lives, makes them abnormal or freakish or not part of the same human race that straight people are.
Whatever the cause of their same sex attraction, and there is much speculation, being gay clouds
their whole existence.
Yes, there are plenty of biblical references against committing acts regarding same-sex interaction. And that is what
this forum is full of. But what guides and sustains that person through his or her life with the confusion and feelings
of being different, and the why's of how they were made, and the greatest loss they have from the inability to participate
in a family life the way most of the population is able.
All the church laws printed on these pages or any other pages do not address these complexities. Many gays never
commit any acts that are forbidden by church laws or God's laws, but they are still subject to denigration by society.
Just to be clear, I don't like this whole gay-rights movement, as a matter of fact, it sickens me. My years of art school
and being around gay men particularly, have given me a bitter taste for the attitudes of the flamboyant gays and
especially their overt hatred of women.
As far as same-sex marriage, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, yet I do think gays should
have all the legal rights which are similar to those that come with marriage. The gays I know personally, both men and women,
are very sincere and good people. I am sure, if they had a choice, they would perfer to be straight. These people are
the sons and daughters, nieces and nephews, aunts and uncles, and sisters and brothers and friends of many of us.
We should not deny them privileges. They are our loved ones, whether they are gay or not.
As I said, this is a very complex issue. And the only issue addressed by the church, is if they commit certain acts, which
criminalize them. Being gay has lots of challenges, and those challenges are underestimated by those of us who are not gay.
So, Elizabeth, you are, for the most part, correct about my postings. Thank you for your interjections.
Marianne, I figured you had friends who were homosexuals.. I have a second cousin who is an out of the closet lesbian. She was a tomboy when she was young. I'm not sure but my other cousin told me that she was molested. I don't know at what age, or, if that is true. But when she came out in the open her mother who was always joking and happy turned into the most miserable person on the earth.
Her father is a very liberal man. When I came to visit them her girlfriend came over. Her father ws crying in my prescence. For whatever reasons he allowed the two of them to sleep together under his roof. I guess he thought it was only fair since he allowed his sons to do the same thing a long as they got married.
I would not hesitate to tell her what she is doing is wrong, but I never had the chance. At my cousins wedding her girlfriend came up to me but I ignored her. I also spoke out against it to her brother, I told him not to support her in any way. It is a bit shameful for a family to admit that their child is wrong, so most families go along with it because they still love their child.
This is called misdirected love. It is misdirected because the love that they direct has no principle.
In the eyes of the church we have no choice but to speak against sin. Love the person but hate the sin is a better path, this is what I believed all along. Laws are now being passed to prevent anyone from trying to guide a homosexual person out of that lifestyle. So, when someone says that they should have rights.. we are supporting them instead of guiding them back to their destiny that God intended for them.