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12/30/2012 new
I already posted this speech in a different place but for its importance and because it is a very powerful speech i thought maybe i should post it by itself.

COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER !!

Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death.

Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,

Your words are empty air.

You've stripped away our heritage,

You've outlawed simple prayer.

Now gunshots fill our classrooms,

And precious children die.

You seek for answers everywhere,

And ask the question "Why?"

You regulate restrictive laws,

Through legislative creed.

And yet you fail to understand,

That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"

- Darrell Scott

12/30/2012 new

The Columbine shootings were in April 1999 - 13.75 years ago. Thus, "Thursday" was not "12 years later".

In fact, this speech was presented by Mr. Scott in May 1999 - one month after the Columbine shottings. This doesn't diminish the validity of the points he makes, but we must be careful when passing around things that are circulating on the Internet, as we can lose credibility when errors like this are found. Be especially aware of anything that comes wrapped in emotional hype. Snopes is your best friend in this regard!

www.snopes.com

 

 

12/30/2012 new
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said: The Columbine shootings were in April 1999 - 13.75 years ago. Thus, "Thursday" was not "12 years ...
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said:

The Columbine shootings were in April 1999 - 13.75 years ago. Thus, "Thursday" was not "12 years later".



In fact, this speech was presented by Mr. Scott in May 1999 - one month after the Columbine shottings. This doesn't diminish the validity of the points he makes, but we must be careful when passing around things that are circulating on the Internet, as we can lose credibility when errors like this are found. Be especially aware of anything that comes wrapped in emotional hype. Snopes is your best friend in this regard!



www.snopes.com





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Oooops! Jerry, thank you for correcting the date, and adding the link. In fact, this is how it was circulated on the internet. When i read it, it touched my heart and i didn't pay attention for the dates, all i did was copy and past. But i agree with all what you said!
12/30/2012 new

(Quote) Therese-668052 said: Oooops! Jerry, thank you for correcting the date, and adding the link. In fact, this is how it...
(Quote) Therese-668052 said:

Oooops! Jerry, thank you for correcting the date, and adding the link. In fact, this is how it was circulated on the internet. When i read it, it touched my heart and i didn't pay attention for the dates, all i did was copy and past. But i agree with all what you said!
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That's what the folks who circulate these things count on. This one isn't too bad, as the important parts are accurate; many are almost completely fabricated.

A good rule of thumb is: the more the story tugs at your heart, the more it needs to be veriefied. Other useful clues include the use of very large fonts, multiple colors, strong emotional language, and manipulative statements such as "if you don't forward this to 25 friends you are ashamed of Jesus" (yes, this last one is from a real email!)

12/30/2012 new

(Quote) Therese-668052 said: I already posted this speech in a different place but for its importance and because it is a very powe...
(Quote) Therese-668052 said: I already posted this speech in a different place but for its importance and because it is a very powerful speech i thought maybe i should post it by itself.

COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER !!

Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death.

Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,

Your words are empty air.

You've stripped away our heritage,

You've outlawed simple prayer.

Now gunshots fill our classrooms,

And precious children die.

You seek for answers everywhere,

And ask the question "Why?"

You regulate restrictive laws,

Through legislative creed.

And yet you fail to understand,

That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"

- Darrell Scott

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Therese, that description about how prayers were brought back to the classroom at Columbine that day, are very powerful.
That was a touching and significant story. Thank you.

12/30/2012 new

(Quote) Jerry-74383 said: The Columbine shootings were in April 1999 - 13.75 years ago. Thus, "Thursday" was not &...
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said:

The Columbine shootings were in April 1999 - 13.75 years ago. Thus, "Thursday" was not "12 years later".

In fact, this speech was presented by Mr. Scott in May 1999 - one month after the Columbine shottings. This doesn't diminish the validity of the points he makes, but we must be careful when passing around things that are circulating on the Internet, as we can lose credibility when errors like this are found. Be especially aware of anything that comes wrapped in emotional hype. Snopes is your best friend in this regard!

www.snopes.com

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Jerry, as usual your advice is spot on. You are right in pointing out the mass emails we all receive whether political in nature or not, should be checked for accuracy. Snopes is bookmarked on my desktop too. The wife of one of my best friends was guilty of sending these, usually preceded by a dozen "Fwds." I cured her of the habit by pointing out that anyone along the way can 'edit' them to suit their own agenda. I sent it back, substituting "Mickey Mouse" in place of the President's name in one such email. She got the point. Very often a celebrity's name is attached to a quote and passed along, forcing them to deny it on their own websites. Sometimes I think there's an unemployed computer geek living in his parents' basement having fun at our expense. I would suggest to anyone to ignore these types of emails unless there is a link to a legitimate news source/ website.

Therese, I am in no way diminishing your post about Darrell Scott's message- it needed to be heard.

12/31/2012 new
(Quote) Peter-449116 said: Jerry, as usual your advice is spot on. You are right in pointing out the mass emails we all receive whether po...
(Quote) Peter-449116 said:

Jerry, as usual your advice is spot on. You are right in pointing out the mass emails we all receive whether political in nature or not, should be checked for accuracy. Snopes is bookmarked on my desktop too. The wife of one of my best friends was guilty of sending these, usually preceded by a dozen "Fwds." I cured her of the habit by pointing out that anyone along the way can 'edit' them to suit their own agenda. I sent it back, substituting "Mickey Mouse" in place of the President's name in one such email. She got the point. Very often a celebrity's name is attached to a quote and passed along, forcing them to deny it on their own websites. Sometimes I think there's an unemployed computer geek living in his parents' basement having fun at our expense. I would suggest to anyone to ignore these types of emails unless there is a link to a legitimate news source/ website.



Therese, I am in no way diminishing your post about Darrell Scott's message- it needed to be heard.

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The main thing is that Darrel speech was not fake! wink

I also bookmarked Snopes on my desktop.

I usually get a lot of messages that say send it to ten people or keep posting or if you don't send it within ten days to 25 people something bad will happen to you or to a member from your family... I never fall into these type of messages. If i really like the morale behind a message then i copy the part that interests me without copying the keep posting part... and i post it or forward it to my friends.

But i am thankful to Jerry to learn about Snopes. This is a very helpful link.
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