(Quote) Mike-41230 said:
The last couple of paragraphs from the Catholic encyclopedia page about the Gift of Tongues (Glosso...
(Quote) Mike-41230 said:
The last couple of paragraphs from the Catholic encyclopedia page about the Gift of Tongues (Glossolaly, glossolalia) is interesting because it compares the Corinthian Abuses to what's happening these days.
So, I have my bible open and reading as the writer's quoting. Hmmmm........Mike, I challenge you to open your scripture and read it as he quotes it for yourself. Read the whole thing in context. A lot of what he is saying is his own interpretation and he adds lots of his own opinions in the matter. Read it and tell me what you think.
I'm quoting the write of this section of newadvent, "There is enough in St. Paul to show us that the Corinthian peculiarities were ignoble accretions and abuses. They made of "tongues" a source of schism in the Church and of scandal without (14:23). The charism had deteriorated into a mixture of meaningless inarticulate gabble (9, 10) with an element of uncertain sounds (7, 8), which sometimes might be construed as little short of blasphemous (12:3). "
Here's what those verses actually say, "In the law it is written, 'By men of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.' Thus, tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is not for unbelievers but for believers. (By the way he is talking about the MINISTRY of tongues, not the personal gift of tongues.) If, therefore, the whole Church assembles and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad? But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all, the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so falling on his face, he will worship God and declare that God is really among you." Cor 14:20-25
Where was tongues made a source of Schism in the Church? He kind of exaggerated there!
1 Cor 12:3 states, "Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking by the spirit of God ever says, "Jesus be cursed!" and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit."
So how does this prove that speaking in tongues is "a little short of blasphemous?" The funny part is, right after Paul says this exact verse in 1 Cor 12:3 he then goes into talking about the ministry of speaking in tongues and part of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. and states, "All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills." In fact, this give more umph FOR speaking in tongues and not AGAINST speaking in tongues.
Also, if Paul was so against speaking in tongues why would he say, "I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified." 1 Cor 14:5 (How come the writer on new advent didn't quote this verse?) It is true that tongues is the lowest ranking spiritual gifts. Paul says because speaking in tongues edifies us personally (here he is talking about the personal kind of speaking in tongues and not the ministry of speaking in tongues) Paul seems to be saying that both are good but one is a greater good because it edifies the whole church.
So no where do I hear Paul stating that people shouldn't speak in tongues….but instead I hear him saying to be discerning how and when you use it. Please read it for yourself. Start with 1 Cor 12 and go all the way through ch 14.