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Feb 9th 2013 new

(Quote) William-607613 said: There are fifty million plus Americans who would beg to differ; these were the Americans wh...
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There are fifty million plus Americans who would beg to differ; these were the Americans who were "legally" murdered in their mothers' wombs in the last forty years.

If this really is the best form of government on earth, then it is an absolute marvel that the sun rises every morning.

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We can only change ourselves. There wilo always be terrible inequities and injustices inthe world. But, as Mother Teresa said. "If you can't feed 100 hungry people, then feed one." The only way to change anything is to work on ourselves then spread God's love to those we live with every day and those we encounter.


Salt and leaven.

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Feb 9th 2013 new

(Quote) Joanna-615441 said: You forgot to mention South Sudan. I tend to agree with ranting David on this one (pass...
(Quote) Joanna-615441 said:

You forgot to mention South Sudan.

I tend to agree with ranting David on this one (passions are hard to keep in check when you feel strongly about something and actually have knowledge about it as well)

Everything evolves, monarchy's were necessary when the people were illiterate and ignorant of what was necessary for self rule (sacrifice), they were too busy just trying to tend their little gardens and feed their families. The only perfect monarchy is Christ as King and the Court of Heaven as our family. And since we are all royalty by our Baptism, we really already are in a a Monarchy, the best one, but the Throne Room is in Heaven. {{{Sigh}}} if we all just long for Heaven then we will live out our vocation no matter what rule of earthly authority we are under
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Monarchies are the Vicars of Christ on earth and are still needed. The only way men can live without a King is when they act as Kings themselves and reject all vices. That is not the case today, walk down any street, in any city, in the United States, and you will find a whorehouse.

Then look at all the men who think sodomy is OK, then there are the others who don't quite understand that usury (interest on loans) is illegal. I can go on and on, but there are very few freemen left today. We need a King, we are not fit to be without one.

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Feb 9th 2013 new

(Quote) John-711000 said: The moral and spiritual decline of the west was the result of the FDR administration abolishing th...
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The moral and spiritual decline of the west was the result of the FDR administration abolishing the Roman Catholic Monarachy. The last RC King in Italy was UmbertoII he was removed because he kept the Old Roman Catholic Order. The Old Roman Catholic Order was heaven on earth since it forbade any and all vices. Compare those days with the hell on earth we live in today. The succession of Kings was unbroken from the time of the Roman Emperor Constantine who officially established our church.

Constantine was an Emperor of Rome which is just another name for King. The RC Kings ruled the church after him. Kingships go hand and hand with the church. The deliberate and planned fall of the church began in incremental steps after WW2 by the unseen victors (federal reserve banking cartel) bankers. Vatican II was implemented after WW2 and after the FDR banking criminals outlawed our Kings all of our Kings were true RC Kings, all of our present day Kings or Prince's are frauds. The EU banking cartel took over the church and the dogma of the church (if not stopped) will be replaced with the 'Jewish Holocaust' where so called 'deniers' and revisionists are thrown in prison.

The reason why the Kings went hand and hand with the church was because they had militaries under their command. They protected the church, the Pope by himself and all of the clergy have no defense against our enemies.

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I am at a loss. How to reply to this post without getting thrown off the forums? Best to say nothing except:


(1) Please read your history a little more carefully because you're establishing a causal nexus where there is none and laying blame at the wrong feet;


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(2) THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE FOR HATRED OF THE JEWS IN OUR FAITH - please do NOT blame them for the state of things or deny that more than 6 million of them were systematically murdered. These are the most tired and mindless old canards. They are beneath contempt. What's next? Blood libel? These sorts of statements/beliefs are also hateful and dangerous. We cannot call oursleves Catholic or Christian if we hate the Jews or blame them for things. By mouthing such insane and vicious sentiments we create scandal and besmirch the Church. Is this what you want to do in the name of your faith? In the name of the God of love do you wish to justify hatred of God's own chosen people, of our elder brothers in the the faith? Jesus lived and died a devout Jew. Our Catholic faith is but a form of Judaism - the perfect form. Ask any scholar. There are two main branches of the Jewish religion today: (i) rabbinical Judaism and (ii) Christianity (Catholic and Orthodox). Above all, we must NEVER blame the Jews for the death of Christ. By our own sinfulness, you, I, and everyone who ever lived killed Christ. He died to take upon himself the burden of or sins. He wa snot murdered by the Jews - he offered himself as the one eternal and perfect sacrifice.


Seriously. I'm astounded you can say what you said in good faith. You are a bright man who is serious about the faith. God is love. Let's never forget that.

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Feb 9th 2013 new

(Quote) John-711000 said: Monarchies are the Vicars of Christ on earth and are still needed. The only way men can l...
(Quote) John-711000 said:

Monarchies are the Vicars of Christ on earth and are still needed. The only way men can live without a King is when they act as Kings themselves and reject all vices. That is not the case today, walk down any street, in any city, in the United States, and you will find a whorehouse.

Then look at all the men who think sodomy is OK, then there are the others who don't quite understand that usury (interest on loans) is illegal. I can go on and on, but there are very few freemen left today. We need a King, we are not fit to be without one.

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There is no perfect or even very good form of government. A monarchy might sound nice as you imagine it, but it's not much better than any othe rofrm of government. Luxembourg is a Catholic monarchy. Abortion was recently legalized there. Monaco is a Catholic monarchy. It's a lso a police state, a haven for tax cheats, full of casinos, and people walk around nude on the beach. Your dear Umberto allowed fascism to flourish in Italy. His Catholic realm rapidly became a very nasty police state. Under his pious eye, Italy invaded innocent countries (Libya and Ethiopia/Somalia), and under the Salo Republic at the end of his reign Italian Jews were runded up and shippe dto death camos along with homosexuals. THIS is the king whose fate you bemoan?? Hip hip hurray for the many blessings of the almighty in the reign of the His Royal Catholic Majesty Umberto!!


Thank God you live in the USA with its First Amendment. It's time to ignore the protestations of 18th and eraly 19th century pontiffs who fought a ludicrous and insensible battle against representative democracy. Stop reading their misguided thoughts on this subject. They were anachronistic 2 centuries ago and are beyond the pale today.


Never mix earthly politics of any sort with religion. Religion always suffers when we do this. Piety comes from within. It can never be legislated.


How on earth do you propose establishing a Catholic monarchy nowadays? The world is too diverse.

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Feb 9th 2013 new

(Quote) Chelsea-743484 said: Are you disputing that Pope Innocent III declared the Magna Carta null and void on 24 A...
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Are you disputing that Pope Innocent III declared the Magna Carta null and void on 24 August 1215? or Are you disputing the reported reason behind the invalidation of the Magna Carta by the Pope?

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It only took 800 years but the Popes finally learned to stay out of worldly politics. They never belonged ther ei nthe first place.

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Feb 9th 2013 new

(Quote) Thomas-699657 said: Lincoln did it, And he ran the country like a dictator, until shoot and killed. he arrested anyo...
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Lincoln did it, And he ran the country like a dictator, until shoot and killed. he arrested anyone who disagree with him.

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There was a CIVIL WAR going on. He did what was necessary to preserve the union. What's wrong with that?

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Feb 9th 2013 new

(Quote) William-607613 said: In terms of one's own salvation, it actually does. Our standing with the Church is ...
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In terms of one's own salvation, it actually does. Our standing with the Church is far more important when we die than whatever we had done before then. The good thief at the Cruxifixion reminds us of this. However, in terms of simply one's place in history, no, I suppose it wouldn't.

I think his life should serve as a warning to every Catholic: we always stand the risk of losing the Faith.

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Our standing with the Church (don't you mean with God?) is not dependent upon the form of government under which we live. it is internal. Within our heart and soul.

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Feb 9th 2013 new

(Quote) David-364112 said: I am at a loss. How to reply to this post without getting thrown off the forums? Bes...
(Quote) David-364112 said:


I am at a loss. How to reply to this post without getting thrown off the forums? Best to say nothing except:


(1) Please read your history a little more carefully because you're establishing a causal nexus where there is none and laying blame at the wrong feet;


and


(2) THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE FOR HATRED OF THE JEWS IN OUR FAITH - please do NOT blame them for the state of things or deny that more than 6 million of them were systematically murdered. These are the most tired and mindless old canards. They are beneath contempt. What's next? Blood libel? These sorts of statements/beliefs are also hateful and dangerous. We cannot call oursleves Catholic or Christian if we hate the Jews or blame them for things. By mouthing such insane and vicious sentiments we create scandal and besmirch the Church. Is this what you want to do in the name of your faith? In the name of the God of love do you wish to justify hatred of God's own chosen people, of our elder brothers in the the faith? Jesus lived and died a devout Jew. Our Catholic faith is but a form of Judaism - the perfect form. Ask any scholar. There are two main branches of the Jewish religion today: (i) rabbinical Judaism and (ii) Christianity (Catholic and Orthodox). Above all, we must NEVER blame the Jews for the death of Christ. By our own sinfulness, you, I, and everyone who ever lived killed Christ. He died to take upon himself the burden of or sins. He wa snot murdered by the Jews - he offered himself as the one eternal and perfect sacrifice.


Seriously. I'm astounded you can say what you said in good faith. You are a bright man who is serious about the faith. God is love. Let's never forget that.

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The Jews are not God's chosen people...Read Saint John Chapter 8 starting with verse 31 to 47 and note verse 44, then tell me that the Jews are God's chosen people. The children of God follow God and to follow God one must follow Jesus.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me."

^The above quote is from Saint John Chapter 14 verse 6.

Try following the word of our Lord first and then maybe you'll stop with your hate nonsense. The Jews must turn back to Jesus. The Jews are not God's chosen people, that is a lie concoted after WW2.

Either you are a Roman Catholic or you are not. It is very simple..Jesus is the way, the truth, the life. OK? We pray for the Jewish conversion, we do not worship them as children of God. This has been the position of the church since its beginning.

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Feb 9th 2013 new

(Quote) David-364112 said:There is no perfect or even very good form of government. A monarchy might sound nice as you imagine it, ...
(Quote) David-364112 said:There is no perfect or even very good form of government. A monarchy might sound nice as you imagine it, but it's not much better than any othe rofrm of government. Luxembourg is a Catholic monarchy. Abortion was recently legalized there. Monaco is a Catholic monarchy. It's a lso a police state, a haven for tax cheats, full of casinos, and people walk around nude on the beach. Your dear Umberto allowed fascism to flourish in Italy. His Catholic realm rapidly became a very nasty police state. Under his pious eye, Italy invaded innocent countries (Libya and Ethiopia/Somalia), and under the Salo Republic at the end of his reign Italian Jews were runded up and shippe dto death camos along with homosexuals. THIS is the king whose fate you bemoan?? Hip hip hurray for the many blessings of the almighty in the reign of the His Royal Catholic Majesty Umberto!!


Thank God you live in the USA with its First Amendment. It's time to ignore the protestations of 18th and eraly 19th century pontiffs who fought a ludicrous and insensible battle against representative democracy. Stop reading their misguided thoughts on this subject. They were anachronistic 2 centuries ago and are beyond the pale today.


Never mix earthly politics of any sort with religion. Religion always suffers when we do this. Piety comes from within. It can never be legislated.


How on earth do you propose establishing a Catholic monarchy nowadays? The world is too diverse.

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Show me the proof that Umberto II sent Jews and homosexuals to death camps, and for the sake of argument if indeed Umberto II was a bad King was that a valid reason to abolish the RC Kingship in Italy?

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Feb 9th 2013 new

(Quote) John-711000 said: Show me the proof that Umberto II sent Jews and homosexuals to death camps, and for the s...
(Quote) John-711000 said:

Show me the proof that Umberto II sent Jews and homosexuals to death camps, and for the sake of argument if indeed Umberto II was a bad King was that a valid reason to abolish the RC Kingship in Italy?

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Umberto was a decent man and didn't do these things personally. But they happened in this golden realm you keep talking about. Wasnb't thatenough?


The allied powers were FED up with fascism and those who permitted it to take hold. Out went poor Umberto. Can't say Italy's any the worse for not having his descenents on the throne.

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