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Jan 19th 2013 new

(Quote) Thomas-699657 said: John, There are al lot of armed IRS agents, A friend of mine is one of them. They are the ones t...
(Quote) Thomas-699657 said:

John, There are al lot of armed IRS agents, A friend of mine is one of them. They are the ones that go in and lock up business's or companies who fail to pay taxes. The guys going out the doors with all the inventory of corporations. The ones who went in and got Bernie Madoff Records and hard drives. Most of these guys carry a gun in case of any resistance. So my friend Glen tells me who is and IRS agent and does carry .

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You also have several people at command level that Obama put in, as well as agents of:

The BATF, FBI, IRS, NSA, CIA....

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Jan 19th 2013 new

(Quote) Thomas-699657 said: John, There are al lot of armed IRS agents, A friend of mine is one of them. They are the ones t...
(Quote) Thomas-699657 said:

John, There are al lot of armed IRS agents, A friend of mine is one of them. They are the ones that go in and lock up business's or companies who fail to pay taxes. The guys going out the doors with all the inventory of corporations. The ones who went in and got Bernie Madoff Records and hard drives. Most of these guys carry a gun in case of any resistance. So my friend Glen tells me who is and IRS agent and does carry .

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I have met more than one armed IRS agent. In the context of being a paramilitary force to take over the country, they do not by any stretch of the imagination constitute "a lot."

The FBI has far more armed agents than the IRS. There are less than 14,000 armed FBI agents. They barely have more armed agents than Chicago has armed police officers. (Incidentally, there are over 30,000 sworn officers in the NYPD.) If you evenly divide those aFBI gents among all 50 states (which obviously is not actually the case), you end up with less than 300 per state. That is not enough to successfully fight more than 2 not very big Sheriff's departments.

So even if you through in the ATF, various OIG's, National Park Service Rangers, and whoever else outside of the military carries a gun on the behalf of the Federal government, they are incapable of instituting a coup in the face of local resistance.

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Jan 20th 2013 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: I have met more than one armed IRS agent. In the context of being a paramilitary force to...
(Quote) John-336509 said:

I have met more than one armed IRS agent. In the context of being a paramilitary force to take over the country, they do not by any stretch of the imagination constitute "a lot."

The FBI has far more armed agents than the IRS. There are less than 14,000 armed FBI agents. They barely have more armed agents than Chicago has armed police officers. (Incidentally, there are over 30,000 sworn officers in the NYPD.) If you evenly divide those aFBI gents among all 50 states (which obviously is not actually the case), you end up with less than 300 per state. That is not enough to successfully fight more than 2 not very big Sheriff's departments.

So even if you through in the ATF, various OIG's, National Park Service Rangers, and whoever else outside of the military carries a gun on the behalf of the Federal government, they are incapable of instituting a coup in the face of local resistance.

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I wonder what the real hard numbers are on this. I just remember reading in the paper here and on the net of them buying a lot of hollow point bullets. I remember hearing that it was maybe to drive the price up on them just wondering.

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Jan 21st 2013 new

(Quote) Thomas-699657 said: I wonder what the real hard numbers are on this. I just remember reading in the paper here and o...
(Quote) Thomas-699657 said:

I wonder what the real hard numbers are on this. I just remember reading in the paper here and on the net of them buying a lot of hollow point bullets. I remember hearing that it was maybe to drive the price up on them just wondering.

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DHS has stocked up 1.2 Billion rounds.

In case you're keeping score, that's four (4) rounds for every man, woman, and child in the US.

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) Mike-41230 said: Yeah after the death of Anne with no living children, George I, the first Hanoverian was t...
(Quote) Mike-41230 said:

Yeah after the death of Anne with no living children, George I, the first Hanoverian was the closest Protestant heir to the throne. But I've read that they past over something like 56 or 57 Catholic heirs that had more of a claim to the throne than George I. This and a bunch of other twists and turns just goes to show how legit (Not) the British Monarchy is.

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Anne married William of Orange the younger son of the Dutch King. Yes they did passby any Catholic heirs, and there were a number, not that many, but it included the Stewarts of Scotland, The Dukes of Norfolk, as well as sveral lines decended from the bastards of Henry VIII, and the French Bourbon family, a fact that still exists today that the Cron could in theory pass to the Bourbons, tne Norwegian and the Danish Royal Houses, in addition to the survivors of the Russian and German Royal houses. All have a claim of the English Crown. Not forgeting the Welsh Plantagenants, the Celtic Lancasterians, and the Scotish Stewarts,

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) John-220051 said: Actually 1788 was when colonization began. Australia has been independent for a little over 100 y...
(Quote) John-220051 said:

Actually 1788 was when colonization began. Australia has been independent for a little over 100 years, becoming the Commonwealth of Australia in 1801.
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That depends on your definition of Colonisation. New South Wales was a Pennal settlement for 150 years before it became a semi self ruled Colony in 1828, Victoria and Queensland were part of NSW until 1800, even New Zealand was part of NSW until 1860, and can by Australian Constitution of 1901 become a State of Australia- what a horrible thought having to accept all those Australians as New Zealanders

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) William-607613 said: I think it's an inherent flaw in democracy that it is incapable of addressing i...
(Quote) William-607613 said:




I think it's an inherent flaw in democracy that it is incapable of addressing issues; it can only respond to crises (or feel-good subjects like steroids in sports).

Any given issue will fester because of a lack of consensus on how to solve it. It is only when it becomes a problem at the magnitude of a crisis that elected leaders can come up with a solution. In the meantime however, there is enormous damage done: jobs lost, homes foreclosed on, you name it.

The current fiscal crisis is a perfect example. Rather than control spending, the government's response is to keep interest rates artificially low and print money. For us, this means an abysmal return on our retirement funds (which translates to a longer working life) and inflation. If there was another currency anywhere that threatened to become the world's reserve currency, we would have this fixed within 24 hours. There isn't, so we can shuffle on with the status quo.

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The Loan ceiling, Fiscal Cliff, Gun Control, the Euro, Bank reform are also good examples of democracy in action (read it ether way)

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: Now you're just being silly. Caesar had the personal loyalty of the Roman army which ...
(Quote) John-336509 said:

Now you're just being silly. Caesar had the personal loyalty of the Roman army which was quite willing to follow him into Rome itself if need be. Obama does not have any such following among the military. Obama leaves office in 4 years. Even if for the sake of argument I pretended that I agreed with the notion that he is going to try and stay longer, the U.S. miltary will not help him stay. Quite the contrary. The military will be happy to escort him out the door.

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No He didnt. Beware the Ides of March. The army was loyal to itself and its own interest. Pliny Older and Younger along with Gibbons Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire all demonstrate the Loyalty" of the Roman Army, ask Caligula and Nero how loyal their troops were

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: Washington probably could have pulled it off, but he's been dead for a while. Nobody ...
(Quote) John-336509 said:

Washington probably could have pulled it off, but he's been dead for a while. Nobody today has that kind of stature.

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Commeth the hour Commeth the Man

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Jan 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) John-220051 said: It's not a perfect comparison, but the American republic is in advanced state of decay. The m...
(Quote) John-220051 said:

It's not a perfect comparison, but the American republic is in advanced state of decay. The military is subservient to civilian control in our system. It would be unthinkable for someone like Pinochet to emerge in our armed forces to overthrow Obama.
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The name MacCathur mean anything to you? Your system actually makes it easy to bring about a dictatorship, If 6 key people co-operate, The Majority Leader, the Minority Leader, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and the leaders of the Senate, and of Course either the Vice or President they can force a State of Emergency under the Homeland Security Act which allows for the suspension of Habeus Corpus and impose Martial Law, from there its just a mater of using the media to feed the approved story, a fall guy or two and hey presto alcahzam Osama is the boy.

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