(Quote) Carrie-529869 said:
First, as I've played about 200 weddings, I am bummed over t...
(Quote) Carrie-529869 said:
First, as I've played about 200 weddings, I am bummed over the loss of reverence. There are certain norms and etiquette that are missed.
However, I'm seeing here lots of people trying to define reverence to their own standards. Or making up rules that dont' exist. Or disparaging what the current church allows. Reverence most certainly does NOT equal quiet. It can be, depending on the circumstances and time, place, or moment in the liturgy. Not always.
Besides the altar being the cross, it is also a marriage bed and an empty tomb. Expressive joyful singing may not have happened around the cross, but I'm willing to bet it happened around the empty tomb.
There has been judgments made that someone's manifestation of charismatic gifts isn't reverent. Yikes. Who are any of us to judge someone else's prayer, or how the Holy Spirit chooses to manifest his spiritual gifts?
Women reading liturgical readings IS NOT a violation of canon law or GIRM.
I am not claiming that women reading at Mass is a violation of Canon Law or the GIRM. I wrongly attributed my observation of where it is forbidden for a woman to be if she offers the readings to Canon Law. It is the GIRM which a woman reading in the ambo/sanctuary violates. It's not what she is doing, it is where she is doing it.
#70 from the GIRM states:
"70. Laymen, even if they have not received institution as ministers, may perform all the functions below those reserved to deacons. At the discretion of the rector of the church, women may be appointed to ministries that are performed outside the sanctuary.
"The conference of bishops may permit qualified women to proclaim the readings before the gospel and to announce the intentions of the general intercessions. The conference may also more precisely designate a suitable place for a woman to proclaim the word of God in the liturgical assembly."
This references back to Liturgicae Instaurationes, no. 7:
7. In conformity with norms traditional in the Church, women (single, married, religious), whether in churches, homes, convents, schools, or institutions for women, are barred from serving the priest at the altar.
According to the norms established for these matters, however, women are allowed to:
a. proclaim the readings, except the gospel. They are to make sure that, with the help of modern sound equipment, they can be comfortably heard by all. The conferences of bishops are to give specific directions on the place best suited for women to read the word of God in the liturgical assembly.
b. announce the intentions in the general intercessions;
c. lead the liturgical assembly in singing and play the organ or other instruments;
d. read the commentary assisting the people toward a better understanding of the rite;
e. attend to other functions, customarily filled by women in other settings, as a service to the congregation, for example, ushering, organizing processions, taking up the collection."
Also, I'm curious to know which gift of the Holy Spirit a person is manifesting by raucous singing and hand clapping and dancing about. Is it the wisdom, or understanding, or counsel, or fortitude, or knowledge, or godliness, or is it fear of the Lord (Isa. 11:2-3)? Or is it working of miracles, prophecy, the discerning of spirits, diverse kinds of tongues, interpretation of speeches (1 Cor. 12:10)? It is only human to look at this behaviour and judge it by the standard we are given in Scripture and tradition... Remember, we're all commanded to judge just judgment (John 7:24) and not by mere appearances, meaning getting to the substance of things underlying what we observe.
There is no such thing as the "current church" which is not the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church. That Church is universal, meaning for all men, in all times and all places; it is always the same. Merely because a specific action is currently tolerated neither makes it doctrinal nor moral. What the Church bound on us at the Council of Trent is still binding today:
"They shall also banish from churches all those kinds of music, in which, whether by the organ, or in the singing, there is mixed up anything lascivious or impure; as also all secular actions; vain and therefore profane conversations, all walking about, noise, and clamour, that so the house of God may be seen to be, and may be called, truly a house of prayer."