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Been watching all the levels of security at this Superbowl in New Orleans. Wondering if New Orleans
has to pay for all the security or who foots the bill?

Paying for Homeland Security efforts with regard to this game, has to cost a lot!
And Homeland Security is Federal, not local.

Feb 1st 2013 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: Been watching all the levels of security at this Superbowl in New Orleans. Wondering if New Or...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:

Been watching all the levels of security at this Superbowl in New Orleans. Wondering if New Orleans
has to pay for all the security or who foots the bill?

Paying for Homeland Security efforts with regard to this game, has to cost a lot!
And Homeland Security is Federal, not local.

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The city's taxpayers pay for it all. As with every sport situation, the City Fathers are sold a bill of goods that this stadium, or this event will bring so muich business to the city that all the costs incurred will be more than offset and everyone make a profit.

Its all a bunch of nonsense. The only ones who come out ahead besides the players are the team owners, the league, the brodcasdt network that sells the ads.

The city and its taxpayers pay and get nothing in return except bragging rights.

Feb 1st 2013 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: The city's taxpayers pay for it all. As with every sport situation, the City Fathers ...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

The city's taxpayers pay for it all. As with every sport situation, the City Fathers are sold a bill of goods that this stadium, or this event will bring so muich business to the city that all the costs incurred will be more than offset and everyone make a profit.

Its all a bunch of nonsense. The only ones who come out ahead besides the players are the team owners, the league, the brodcasdt network that sells the ads.

The city and its taxpayers pay and get nothing in return except bragging rights.

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I have heard that too about the great amount of money entering the city to pay for everything. But what about
Homeland Security. That is Federal. Don't the taxpayers end up paying for their services in the end?

Feb 2nd 2013 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: I have heard that too about the great amount of money entering the city to pay for eve...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:



I have heard that too about the great amount of money entering the city to pay for everything. But what about
Homeland Security. That is Federal. Don't the taxpayers end up paying for their services in the end?

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Of course!!

I am not knocking sports, but the bilge that usually gets published to support the building of a new stadium, at taxpayers expense, or bringing in a team, etc. is just that pure unadulterated bilge.

Just to give an idea just how much nonsense it actually is, Seattle is a great example.

Years ago, when the city got its first major league team, The Pilots, (they moved to Milwaukee after a couple of years and then to Atalanta) Seattle built the Kingdom at taxpayers expense. It was also the home of the Seattle Sounders Major League Soccer team.

After a bunch of law suits resulting from the move of the Pilots to Milwaukee, Seattle was awarded another Franchise, The Seattle Mariners. They played in the Kingdom, but the owners threatened to move the team because the Stadium was inadequate. So Seattle built the New Safco field.The Mariner owners threw in a minor amount of funds towards building it. The King County and Seattle taxpayers paid the bulk of the construction costs. Oh, as an aside and multi million dollar renovation was done to the Kingdom because some ceiling tiles fell. That expenditure via a bond issue occurred as Construction on the New Field was undertaken.

When the Mariners moved into the new field, the Kingdom was torn down. The Seattle and King County home owners are still paying taxes to pay off the bonds on the original construction of the Kingdom and the rehab.

But the story does not end there. When the Seattle Seahawks football franchise was awarded to the City one of the conditions was that the City and County, with minor money from the Seahawks had to build a New Stadium for them. The Baseball field, although more than adequate was not good enough for the league. and they refused to play any of their games there.

So contrary to the State Constitution which does not allow state property to be used for private profit making activities, the Seahawks played their games at the University of Washington Football Stadium until the new football stadium was built.

Oh yes, the State itself threw in some money to build both the Football and baseball stadiums.

But that is not the end of the taxpayer bills for sports franchises.

When Seattle was awarded the the Seattle Supersonics NBA franchise, the team played in the Colosseum located in the Seattle Center, the site of the 1962 World's Fair.

Over the years, that stadium underwent 3 major renovations, at taxpayer expense to keep the team owners happy. The last just a couple of years before the team moved to Kansas City. A lot of bonds still being paid for by the taxpayers.

And now, it appears, Seattle is getting the Sacramento KIngs to replace the Sonics and guess what?

They are going to get a brand new Stadium built just for them apparently in the same general area as the football and baseball stadiums.

All that does not count the billions of dollars wasted trying to improve traffic flows because of the Stadiums. And that in a city whose geography does not make rational traffic flows possible for the population that now makes Seattle home.

Start figuring out the costs for extra policeon on game days and the other costs associated with traffic jams on game days during normal working days. The numbers are astronomical. and the only ones making out are the people who bought the bonds, the team owners and the overpaid players.

Feb 2nd 2013 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: The city and its taxpayers pay and get nothing ...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

The city and its taxpayers pay and get nothing in return except bragging rights.

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NOT true - the city in return gets exceptional national media coverage (meaning tourism benefits immensely) and rakes in millions of dollars spent by the fans AND the media. The only down side is that the Saints aren't in the mix weeping

Feb 2nd 2013 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: Of course!! I am not knocking sports, but the bilge that usually gets published to...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

Of course!!

I am not knocking sports, but the bilge that usually gets published to support the building of a new stadium, at taxpayers expense, or bringing in a team, etc. is just that pure unadulterated bilge.

Just to give an idea just how much nonsense it actually is, Seattle is a great example.

Years ago, when the city got its first major league team, The Pilots, (they moved to Milwaukee after a couple of years and then to Atalanta) Seattle built the Kingdom at taxpayers expense. It was also the home of the Seattle Sounders Major League Soccer team.

After a bunch of law suits resulting from the move of the Pilots to Milwaukee, Seattle was awarded another Franchise, The Seattle Mariners. They played in the Kingdom, but the owners threatened to move the team because the Stadium was inadequate. So Seattle built the New Safco field.The Mariner owners threw in a minor amount of funds towards building it. The King County and Seattle taxpayers paid the bulk of the construction costs. Oh, as an aside and multi million dollar renovation was done to the Kingdom because some ceiling tiles fell. That expenditure via a bond issue occurred as Construction on the New Field was undertaken.

When the Mariners moved into the new field, the Kingdom was torn down. The Seattle and King County home owners are still paying taxes to pay off the bonds on the original construction of the Kingdom and the rehab.

But the story does not end there. When the Seattle Seahawks football franchise was awarded to the City one of the conditions was that the City and County, with minor money from the Seahawks had to build a New Stadium for them. The Baseball field, although more than adequate was not good enough for the league. and they refused to play any of their games there.

So contrary to the State Constitution which does not allow state property to be used for private profit making activities, the Seahawks played their games at the University of Washington Football Stadium until the new football stadium was built.

Oh yes, the State itself threw in some money to build both the Football and baseball stadiums.

But that is not the end of the taxpayer bills for sports franchises.

When Seattle was awarded the the Seattle Supersonics NBA franchise, the team played in the Colosseum located in the Seattle Center, the site of the 1962 World's Fair.

Over the years, that stadium underwent 3 major renovations, at taxpayer expense to keep the team owners happy. The last just a couple of years before the team moved to Kansas City. A lot of bonds still being paid for by the taxpayers.

And now, it appears, Seattle is getting the Sacramento KIngs to replace the Sonics and guess what?

They are going to get a brand new Stadium built just for them apparently in the same general area as the football and baseball stadiums.

All that does not count the billions of dollars wasted trying to improve traffic flows because of the Stadiums. And that in a city whose geography does not make rational traffic flows possible for the population that now makes Seattle home.

Start figuring out the costs for extra policeon on game days and the other costs associated with traffic jams on game days during normal working days. The numbers are astronomical. and the only ones making out are the people who bought the bonds, the team owners and the overpaid players.

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The Leagues should start paying the costs for building new stadiums. It does not seem fair that the people have to
pay. There must be a lot of sports fans in Seattle to have the laws past every time to build new stadiums.

Feb 2nd 2013 new

(Quote) Cindy-57124 said: NOT true - the city in return gets exceptional national media coverage (meaning tourism be...
(Quote) Cindy-57124 said:



NOT true - the city in return gets exceptional national media coverage (meaning tourism benefits immensely) and rakes in millions of dollars spent by the fans AND the media. The only down side is that the Saints aren't in the mix

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Sorry, but unbiased studies have shown over and over again that whatever benefits a city might derive from having a major sports franchise or sporting event are far out weighed by the cost to the taxpayers.

There may be intangible benefits that might be considered worthwhile, but the question raised was actual dollar costs and who bears them. That is what I addressed.

Feb 2nd 2013 new

The cost is factored in and included with the city's share of the profits revenue. Hosting a super bowl can generate tens of millions in the short term to hundreds of millions in long term revenue for the host city. Stadium security is usually provided by the contractor that handles security for the facility year round since the stadium owner (usually the city) already has multi-year deals in place for security regardless of the event. Venue security for the surrounding area is handled by the city's municipal police and private security.

Since the host city was chosen to host the Super Bowl 4-5 years earlier, funds are secured and reserved to handle the costs. The funds are repaid partially by the NFL through shared revenue profit and from taxes imposed on the host city's hotels and other tourism facilities such as restaurants, bars, and local attractions (I remember voters in San Diego passing a bond a few years to levy a special tax on city tourism to offset any overrun costs when San Diego hosted the Super Bowl in 1999). The home team in the host city (in this case, the Saints) usually helps with initial costs since they are included in the revenue profit sharing.

For more information on the economic impact of hosting a super bowl, see college.holycross.edu

For the pros/cons debate on the economic impact of hosting a super bowl, see, bleacherreport.com

And this is the media guide for Super Bowl XLVII www.neworleanssuperbowl.com

The people of San Diego were VERY disappointed when the former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue excluded our city from hosting any further Super Bowls after the 2003 event because we have a dated stadium that needs major renovation. We've hosted a total of 3 and San Diego was on the regular rotation for Super Bowla before the stadium's age caught up with us.

Feb 3rd 2013 new

(Quote) John-146319 said: The cost is factored in and included with the city's share of the profits revenue. Hosting a s...
(Quote) John-146319 said:

The cost is factored in and included with the city's share of the profits revenue. Hosting a super bowl can generate tens of millions in the short term to hundreds of millions in long term revenue for the host city. Stadium security is usually provided by the contractor that handles security for the facility year round since the stadium owner (usually the city) already has multi-year deals in place for security regardless of the event. Venue security for the surrounding area is handled by the city's municipal police and private security.

Since the host city was chosen to host the Super Bowl 4-5 years earlier, funds are secured and reserved to handle the costs. The funds are repaid partially by the NFL through shared revenue profit and from taxes imposed on the host city's hotels and other tourism facilities such as restaurants, bars, and local attractions (I remember voters in San Diego passing a bond a few years to levy a special tax on city tourism to offset any overrun costs when San Diego hosted the Super Bowl in 1999). The home team in the host city (in this case, the Saints) usually helps with initial costs since they are included in the revenue profit sharing.

For more information on the economic impact of hosting a super bowl, see college.holycross.edu

For the pros/cons debate on the economic impact of hosting a super bowl, see, bleacherreport.com

And this is the media guide for Super Bowl XLVII www.neworleanssuperbowl.com

The people of San Diego were VERY disappointed when the former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue excluded our city from hosting any further Super Bowls after the 2003 event because we have a dated stadium that needs major renovation. We've hosted a total of 3 and San Diego was on the regular rotation for Super Bowla before the stadium's age caught up with us.

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Just the type of nonsense financial data published in every study, always paid for by the league and the prospective owners of the franchise, to sell the people of the patsy city on why they should let the politicians spend multi millions of their dollars to build the bread and circuses monuments for the financial betterment of the leagues, owners and players.

Feb 3rd 2013 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: Just the type of nonsense financial data published in every study, always paid for by the...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

Just the type of nonsense financial data published in every study, always paid for by the league and the prospective owners of the franchise, to sell the people of the patsy city on why they should let the politicians spend multi millions of their dollars to build the bread and circuses monuments for the financial betterment of the leagues, owners and players.

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I'm not here to change anyone's opinion, I'm just providing an answer to the original question posed by this thread.

People believe what they want to believe.

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