(Quote) Shara-929649 said:
Marianne I think that you should recall that Mary and Joseph were forced to emigrate in ...
(Quote) Shara-929649 said:
Marianne I think that you should recall that Mary and Joseph were forced to emigrate in a hurry to escape persecution and probable murder of their child. I am so glad that Egyptians at that time did not have your ideas on letting people in or the messianic prophesy may have not come to pass.Christians have a history of immigration. YOUR family probably immigrated here where the standards of immigration were no doubt significantly less restrictive. I bet you are grateful for that.
I think that your ideas reflect a narrowmindedness that as as Catholics and or Christians we should avoid. Much of the fraud that is unfortunately perpetrated are done by people trying desperately to better their situation and or escape dangerous situations.Most of these people could become productive members of society if given the chance. Of course there are criminals among them but that is the minority and I am sure that AMERICAN society cannot claim to be free of criminal segments. I will also let you know that I am an immigrant and though here legally I am let wondering what you TRULY think of me. I will also add that not only am I a productive member of society, I also make decisions that allow many successful Americans live better lives. Try to broaden your scope and view things with the empathy and vision that Christ calls us to. That is what the Church is calling you to and rightly so.
To end: I am very surprised that you think that you have the right to tell the Church what they should and should not get involved in. I for one want guidance from the Church on every aspect of my life including politics as I am a flawed individual and need guidance. Maybe those who think that they ae without flaws and or do not need guidance are most in need of it.
Apologies if this sounds harsh but I read these posts and was frankly appalled. I have rarely ventured into this room because of it reputation and am beginning to see now that some of it is well deserved. Lots of ugliness going on in here. Just sitting here shaking my head.
"Appalled and 'frankly' appalled!" That is a good start. You have a long way to go though to really know how Americans
feel about their great and beloved country. This is a country that was formed by individuals who put themselves in great
peril to oppose their colonizers and form a nation. They did not find a place that was doing well and break in. And after
they fought the American Revolution, they sat down and wrote laws and guidelines to sustain their new homeland.
The new laws were based on the laws of England, but reworked to be fair and just for all who became a citizen in
Yes, laws and guidelines. That is what has sustained America. Unfortunately, as of late, we are bombarded by those
who do not feel the necessity to respect laws. This is a reprehensible situation and one that is putting America in a
tenuous and vulnerable position. It cannot survive without laws that are obeyed. And it cannot survive in a
bankrupt financial situation.
I care about America. My parents, grandparents, and great grandparents cared about America. If you think those of
us in this room have a reputation (as you stated), you better believe it. And if you think this is ugly (as you stated),
it shows where you stand.
The Church has no allegiance to America. The Church doesn't worry about America. I do and many other CMers
that I know, do. Left-winged rheteric will not take away the feelings we have for our country. Good try, though.
No apologies here.