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Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Amber-931533 said: As someone who believes live begins at conception...
(Quote) Amber-931533 said:

As someone who believes live begins at conception...

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Here's the problem, the pro-abortion movement has done a fine and dandy PR job at making the anti-abortion stance to be one based on religious sentiment.

No offense to you Amber, I'm using you as an example.

Life begins at conception period, its beginning at conception has nothing to do with whether we personally beleive it does.

Its a scientitific fact.

Life begins at conception.

Nothing to do with personal belief.

Science is our friend.

Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: Access to birth control is everywhere and by the way has NO correlation to abortions.
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Access to birth control is everywhere and by the way has NO correlation to abortions.

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54% of women having abortions were using contraception in the month they fell pregnant.

That stat's from Guttmacher Inst. the research arm of Planned Parenthood.

Contraception is the reason we're in this damn mess in the first place.

There's what, 1.1 million abortions in America each year. That's 600,000 children murdered because of contraception failures and whopsies.

Six hundred thousand.

Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Patrick-341178 said: There are over 1 million abortions a year in America. I dont know how many there are worldwide ...
(Quote) Patrick-341178 said:

There are over 1 million abortions a year in America. I dont know how many there are worldwide but I imagine it is in the tens of millions. All the efforts of the pro-life movement in the 40 years of Roe v. Wade tragically has only produced minimal results. A recent poll was released that showed support for abortion rights was at record highs.

Now, certainly I applaud everyone on the pro-life front line. I have tended to focus my efforts on helping elect pro-life politicians but certainly I could do more and don't claim to be without sin.

I said that I do have sympathy for women who have had abortions and repent. Simply feeling guilt or bad about their decisions I feel is insufficient. You have to ask for God's forgiveness and complete a penance, which involves trying to prevent others from making the same mistakes. Those women that have done that I applaud them.


Now, in this particular case, it involved a woman getting a late term abortion. Women who get early term abortions, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they felt that at that stage of pregnancy a baby is simply a "potential life" and not a "life." Obviously, this a flawed way of thinking but I can understand it. Also, early term abortions, they have yet to feel the baby kicking and truly growing inside them so I can see as a way of just trying to be done with it, how women can come to such a tragic decision.


But at 7.7 months???? Come on!!! Why is this woman innocent and the doctor is solely responsible? If we keep giving women a pass in abortion, the numbers are going to remain tragically high.



quote]Stephanie-450440 said:

Let you without sin cast the first stone. Why do we need to judge anyone for wrong decisions they have made in their life?

As a woman who works with those suffering the aftermath of abortion, I can tell you there are many reasons women feel that abortion is their only choice and there is much blame to go around. There is much misinformation given from the pro-death progressive movement that has been bought into by our society. From what I've experienced, women and men involved in abortion has not be given a "pass" and they are called out often (mostly to themselves) for the wrong decision they have made. In most cases they have PTSD which causes even more issues in their lives. Believe me, they blame themselves enough. If you wish to pile on, it seems you should worry about your own repentence.

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I have to hand it to you for having the courage to speak out. When it comes to women making these kind of decisions few people are willing to speak up for fear of throwing themselves under the bus. However, who is saying that this mother is innocent, and THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT SHE MADE THE WRONG DECISION, but who knows for sure that she did not feel remorse immediately upon having it done? Did she have the chance to repent? Only God knows what is in everyones heart, Patrick.

Feb 16th 2013 new

I believe the catholic church should make a decision on whether or not using viagra is again Catholic teaching and God.


1)We all believe or asked to believe that abortion for what ever reason is against our teaching and church.
2) We all or are suppose to believe and practice ---NO premarital sex. Though I noticed that it is an option on this site.

If the above it true... Viagra also should be against Catholic believes and practice. God, whether directly or by medication is the one that chooses to make a man impotent. There maybe a very good reason God decided for the man to be impotent. His sperms maybe defective....Why put an innocent child through that misery. GOD is merciful. What gives humans the right to over ride GOD. We should not override GOD's decision in any matter when it comes to reproduction.
SEX is for reproduction and married couples. If sex in a marriage produces a handicapped child at least the child will have two loving parents. Handicapped children born by premarital sex are often raised solely by the mother since the father suddenly realizes that the church does not condone premarital sex.


What do other Catholic males or females think of the above. Agree or disagree and why?

Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: I believe the catholic church should make a decision on whether or not using viagra is again Cat...
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

I believe the catholic church should make a decision on whether or not using viagra is again Catholic teaching and God.


1)We all believe or asked to believe that abortion for what ever reason is against our teaching and church.
2) We all or are suppose to believe and practice ---NO premarital sex. Though I noticed that it is an option on this site.

If the above it true... Viagra also should be against Catholic believes and practice. God, whether directly or by medication is the one that chooses to make a man impotent. There maybe a very good reason God decided for the man to be impotent. His sperms maybe defective....Why put an innocent child through that misery. GOD is merciful. What gives humans the right to over ride GOD. We should not override GOD's decision in any matter when it comes to reproduction.
SEX is for reproduction and married couples. If sex in a marriage produces a handicapped child at least the child will have two loving parents. Handicapped children born by premarital sex are often raised solely by the mother since the father suddenly realizes that the church does not condone premarital sex.


What do other Catholic males or females think of the above. Agree or disagree and why?

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The Church has not come out with an official position on Viagra. However, unlike the contraceptive pill, it does not cause any change in a man's body as "The Pill' does in a women. Nor does it directly interfere with the purpose of the function. So the church sees no problem with it.

It is interesting, however, to observe that research effort has centered on preventing conception in a women while enhancing the ability, so to speak, of a man to impregnate a women. Kind of interesting to reflect on the processes of the mind, what is considered important, doesn't it?

Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Naomi-698107 said: 54% of women having abortions were using contraception in the month they fell pregnant.<...
(Quote) Naomi-698107 said:

54% of women having abortions were using contraception in the month they fell pregnant.

That stat's from Guttmacher Inst. the research arm of Planned Parenthood.

Contraception is the reason we're in this damn mess in the first place.

There's what, 1.1 million abortions in America each year. That's 600,000 children murdered because of contraception failures and whopsies.

Six hundred thousand.

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exactly Naomi...that was kind of my point...the previous poster said if it was more available there would be less abortions....no...that is not true.

Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Rachel-731570 said: look up Abby Johnson: Pro-life advocate on facebook
(Quote) Rachel-731570 said: look up Abby Johnson: Pro-life advocate on facebook
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Abby spoke at the pro-life rally this year. She is really turning things around in our favor in Texas. She started "And then there were none", a program to help get nurses out of the abortion industry. It provides protection and moral support for them. She also helped pass a bill with Rick Perry that says that abortion clinc workers are obligated to show ultrasound pictures to the mothers. She prays outside abortion clinics and is a big advocate for 40 days for life. She also wrote Unplanned, a book about her time as a former abortion clinic worker.

Feb 16th 2013 new
Hi Marit! Thanks so much for mentioning "And then there were none" ....what a fantastic web site and ministry!
Feb 16th 2013 new
Oops, Marita, sorry for misspelling your name wave
Feb 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Naomi-698107 said: (Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: Access to birth control is everywhere and by t...
(Quote) Naomi-698107 said:

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Cheryl-409772 said:

Access to birth control is everywhere and by the way has NO correlation to abortions.


54% of women having abortions were using contraception in the month they fell pregnant.

That stat's from Guttmacher Inst. the research arm of Planned Parenthood.

Contraception is the reason we're in this damn mess in the first place.

There's what, 1.1 million abortions in America each year. That's 600,000 children murdered because of contraception failures and whopsies.

Six hundred thousand.

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Additionally, many forms of contraception actually cause abortions. See www.abort73.com and a GREAT resource to help explain why contraception is at the root of abortion: onemoresoul.com

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