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Feb 19th 2013 new

All the churches I've gone to in the local diocese have kneelers. The liturgical renovators did damage around here as they've done everywhere. Of course the lack of reverence is a top-down affair like everything else. Priests and nuns brought in liturgical dancers and all that nonsense. I think it's ironic (or maybe not?) that the Vatican II generation of priests complains about clericalism when in fact they're among the most clericalist of all. They think like robots.

Feb 19th 2013 new

(Quote) Marysia-253828 said: Anybody else concerned about the fact that there are so many Catholic Churches out there withou...
(Quote) Marysia-253828 said:

Anybody else concerned about the fact that there are so many Catholic Churches out there without kneelers, where the Tabernacle is placed anywere beside the center of the altar and genuflection is becoming a thing of the past?

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Yes, the pope was trying to give us the example that after Vatican II we need to take our respect for the Holy One and so many things.
Thats why catholics are growing coldness at this era. I have seen many times the Holy Ghost falling down on the grown because people do receive by one hand and eating Him like suck a gum. Lets pray for ours showman priests.

Feb 20th 2013 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: One of the most disgusting lack of reverence I see today, in addition to all those already mention...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

One of the most disgusting lack of reverence I see today, in addition to all those already mentioned in this thread, are the gum chewers, who chomp away all during mass and then go up to receive communion without even removing the gum from their mouths.

We also have a couple of men who come in with their hats on and don't remove them at all during the entire mass.

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I ave to say Paul when I see that sort of thing I tell the person to their face to remove their hat (unless they have cancer) and to stop eating or leave. I tell them they are standing before their God and should show respect. After all if you met the Queen or President you wouldnt eat or where a hat while being introduced or they were talking, so surely God deserves at least the same level of respect.

They tend to do it, never been told to get stuffed or anything, they just turn red and take the hat off or stop eating. Different if a child though, to have a biscuit or OJ or breast fed, but everyone else I think should show respect to Him. Afterall we will want Him to respect us when we stand before Him on our last day?

Feb 20th 2013 new

(Quote) Gene-529847 said: (Quote) Marysia-253828 said: Anybody else concerned about the fact that the...
(Quote) Gene-529847 said:

[quote]Marysia-253828 said:

Anybody else concerned about the fact that there are so many Catholic Churches out there without kneelers, where the Tabernacle is placed anywere beside the center of the altar and genuflection is becoming a thing of the past?

Hi Marysia,

Thanks for an excellent post. It's not just the physical characteristics of churches that are changing, but the experience of mass as well. This past Ash Wednesday, we were unable to attend mass at our home parish because of the schedule. We decided to attend mass at another local church. We walked into church and on each side of the alter were a stack of speakers, two 60"+ monitors mounted on the walls at the side of the alter. During services, music blared from amplified instruments/microphones, the monitors were used to screen lyrics to songs and prayers. The experience lacked any semblance of reverence for the "house of God." These distractions certainly took away for the sacred experience of attending mass. Yes, the church is Catholic.

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Pope Bendict recently condemed such activity as amplified music amd jazzy rock hymns and told Bishops to return to the sacremental and not the profane when it comes to music and worship. So I suppose it will never happen as the Bishops tend to ignore anything fom the Holy Father they dont like

Feb 20th 2013 new

(Quote) Lisa-54615 said: Sometimes I wonder, would it be totally out of line to point out to that person that they ...
(Quote) Lisa-54615 said:

Sometimes I wonder, would it be totally out of line to point out to that person that they still have their hat on, in hopes they'll get the hint? Or people who consider Mass a social hour - would it be out of line to ask them to keep it down (it hopes they would get the point and quit talking altogether)?

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No it wouldnt be out of line, afterall they need to show respect, or they may not be Catholic and not understand the rules, so you would be doing a good thing educating and reminding. I do it all he time. Talkers I just ask to be quiet and say to them "While you may be holy enough not to have to pray I am a sinner and need all the God time I can get" and smile at them so as not to be too offensive. There is the church foyer for talking

Feb 20th 2013 new

(Quote) Patrick-899707 said: I think if more of us had encounters with Christ in the Eucharist our churches and liturgical p...
(Quote) Patrick-899707 said:

I think if more of us had encounters with Christ in the Eucharist our churches and liturgical practices wouldn't be going in the direction you described Marysia. Let's all pray that God may give us a better appreciation for the holy sacrifice of the Mass and an encounter with Christ.

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Amen. You get my prapers.

Feb 20th 2013 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: In my own parish there is a separate Adoration Chapel. However, the tabernacle is till fr...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

In my own parish there is a separate Adoration Chapel. However, the tabernacle is till front and center in the sanctuary area where it belongs. The Adoration Chapel being in a separate room allows those who spend time in adoration are not disturbed by what may be taking place in the main body of the Church. Nor do they disturb what may be going on in the main body of the Church.

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I understand that Cannon Law says the Tabernacle must be visable by all to all the congregation. Many churches have moved the Tabernacle into a side Chapel of adoration but encased it in glass, so it is still visible and you can have quiet time with the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately my Parish church forgot the glass so the Tabernacle is not visable, but the walls of the Chapel are!!!!!

Feb 20th 2013 new

(Quote) Loretta-678584 said: I can't say that I have been to a church yet where the kneelers did not exist but I have been to a...
(Quote) Loretta-678584 said: I can't say that I have been to a church yet where the kneelers did not exist but I have been to a church in Texas where the Tabernacle wasn't even visible from the many body of the church so I had no idea in which direction to genuflect. I found out after mass that they placed it in a separate space so that adoration could be had all day and night. I had mixed feelings. So many people stopped in the adoration room where the tabernacle was after mass was over. THAT was nice to see. it wasn't out of site out of mind for them. My suggestion comes with a story. Our parish was built many years ago. They developed the school before they built an official church building. The original worship space sort of resembled a warehouse building from outside appearances. The past year or so we finally built the church building that was promised to parishioners so many years ago. in the process the statues were taken out of the church as well as with everything else. When we moved back into the new church building... many noticed that the statue of the Blessed Mother was not present. Many grumbled amongst themselves. I hoped that they said something to the pastor but I had no idea if they had. I got to the point where I said, I know that this is a bit distressful but if you want something YOU MUST ASK FOR IT. Do not grumble about it amongst yourself...ask for it! The Blessed Mother statue has a beautiful new stand, and has been placed in our church again.... If people ask, and pray, and hold to what is right, God can work among his people. God bless all of you for your beautiful concerns for the Holy church
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In my Parish they dont use the font and they dont genuflect, just oldies like me, most the vast majority make no acknowledgement to the presence of God and His House. It may as well be a hall or concert auditorium. In fact when I return home from my tour of duty overseas I went to the church and could see no signs it was a Catholic Church at all, even the sign giving the name of the church didnt say it was Catholic! I had to look for the Tabernacle and genuflect at the font which was empty because the seats had been turned to form a circle around the altar and actually the congregation backed on to the Tabernacle!

I usually go to another Parish Church which has a circular but traditional layout and more respectful of God and His presence

Feb 20th 2013 new
(Quote) Patrick-624504 said: In my Parish they dont use the font and they dont genuflect, just oldies like me, most the vast major...
(Quote) Patrick-624504 said:

In my Parish they dont use the font and they dont genuflect, just oldies like me, most the vast majority make no acknowledgement to the presence of God and His House. It may as well be a hall or concert auditorium. In fact when I return home from my tour of duty overseas I went to the church and could see no signs it was a Catholic Church at all, even the sign giving the name of the church didnt say it was Catholic! I had to look for the Tabernacle and genuflect at the font which was empty because the seats had been turned to form a circle around the altar and actually the congregation backed on to the Tabernacle!

I usually go to another Parish Church which has a circular but traditional layout and more respectful of God and His presence

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I think we do need to ask for the things that we need to see. I wish we didn't have to ask but I guess we should take direction from God when He says, ask and you shall receive, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened. We dont have to be belligerent or disrespectful but asking is something that we should do when we see something out of line or something missing.
Feb 20th 2013 new

(Quote) Marysia-253828 said: Anybody else concerned about the fact that there are so many Catholic Churches out there withou...
(Quote) Marysia-253828 said:

Anybody else concerned about the fact that there are so many Catholic Churches out there without kneelers, where the Tabernacle is placed anywere beside the center of the altar and genuflection is becoming a thing of the past?

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I think father Casey has a good reason why all is happening in the Catholic Church in the usa??? Scroll down to a good video, it's about 7 minutes long.eucharisticadorationforpriests.blogspot.com

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