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Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: Correlation.Per the catholic church abortion is wrong , premarital sex is wrong. but that is...
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

Correlation.
Per the catholic church abortion is wrong , premarital sex is wrong. but that is one of the questions on this site.
Birth control is wrong except for rythm methode( maybe that has changed)
Viagra when used by men outside of their marriage to enhance sexual performance should also be wrong.

If we believe that women become pregnant by God's grace and all babies are a gift from GOD because they are truly precious. ( Which I truly believe)

Should we not also believe that if we are not able to conceive or procreate. ... GOD has a reason?
If the above is true than If a man no longer can " preform" then maybe GOD has a reason for that too?

I'm not saying any of the above is right. I just think it is something to think about.

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No..It's not something to think about.. Most impotence occurs in older age men, but can happen in younger.. But lets assume that it's only in older married men with wives beyond the age of procreation.. Should he stop having sex with his wife because she can no longer have babies? Sex is also unitive. So you want to deny a married woman the right to be in a unitive embrace with her husband because non married people use it too?

Feb 16th 2013 new

I said Used by men OUTSIDE of marriage. SO are you saying that birth control with in a marriage should be allowed by the church because financial stress is also very hard on marriages and families. I think birth control should be allowed.

Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: I said Used by men OUTSIDE of marriage. SO are you saying that birth control with in a marriage ...
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

I said Used by men OUTSIDE of marriage. SO are you saying that birth control with in a marriage should be allowed by the church because financial stress is also very hard on marriages and families. I think birth control should be allowed.

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I'm not saying anything about birth control.. I am addressing your contention that drugs for sexual performance should be denied.. Birth control is an entirely different manner because much of it is abortifacient.

Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: Correlation.Per the catholic church abortion is wrong , premarital sex is wrong. but that is...
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

Correlation.
Per the catholic church abortion is wrong , premarital sex is wrong. but that is one of the questions on this site.
Birth control is wrong except for rythm methode( maybe that has changed)
Viagra when used by men outside of their marriage to enhance sexual performance should also be wrong.

If we believe that women become pregnant by God's grace and all babies are a gift from GOD because they are truly precious. ( Which I truly believe)

Should we not also believe that if we are not able to conceive or procreate. ... GOD has a reason?
If the above is true than If a man no longer can " preform" then maybe GOD has a reason for that too?

I'm not saying any of the above is right. I just think it is something to think about.

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I might be wrong but I am pretty sure that Viagara does not make a man who is unable to procreate able to. It simply enables him to perform sexually which is only a small part of the procreative process. Within the context of marriage the sexual act while mainly for procreation is also seen by the Church as a means to increase closeness and or intimacy between the spouses. Just like someone with congestive heart issues may take heart medication to enable them to withstand the rigors of the sex act, I see viagara in the same vein. I don't see the Church changing that view point as the Church's stance is against enhancing fertility not the ability to perform sexually.

Feb 16th 2013 new

Very interesting....I was looking at both Questions. I personal believe that nether viagra or birth control is wrong.

I wonder how many men that have problems such as impotence impregnate women?

So I guess a poor married impotent man who has a wife that is in child bearing age will just have to wait until she passes menopause before taking Viagra.

I guess we are looking at the question from different angles.. No harm done. Just food for thought.

Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: Very interesting....I was looking at both Questions. I personal believe that nether viagra or bi...
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

Very interesting....I was looking at both Questions. I personal believe that nether viagra or birth control is wrong.

I wonder how many men that have problems such as impotence impregnate women?

So I guess a poor married impotent man who has a wife that is in child bearing age will just have to wait until she passes menopause before taking Viagra.

I guess we are looking at the question from different angles.. No harm done. Just food for thought.

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Birth control is DEFINITELY wrong. Not only does it interrupt the fertilization process; it is abortive by its very nature. It sperates the sex act from its procreative intent and that cannot be condoned. For sex to be holy, not only should it be in the context of marriage but it should be both unitive and open to procreation. If any of these aspects are missing then the act falls outside of God's plan.

Still trying to understand the logic behind the man using viagara only when his wife is past menopause. You lost me there.

I think that you may need to speak do some research on Catholic answers or speak to a priest. They might be able to help you better understand the Church's position and answer any concerns you might have. It can be confusing. Best of luck to you.

Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Shara-929649 said: I might be wrong but I am pretty sure that Viagara does not make a man who is unable to ...
(Quote) Shara-929649 said:

I might be wrong but I am pretty sure that Viagara does not make a man who is unable to procreate able to. It simply enables him to perform sexually which is only a small part of the procreative process. Within the context of marriage the sexual act while mainly for procreation is also seen by the Church as a means to increase closeness and or intimacy between the spouses. Just like someone with congestive heart issues may take heart medication to enable them to withstand the rigors of the sex act, I see viagara in the same vein. I don't see the Church changing that view point as the Church's stance is against enhancing fertility not the ability to perform sexually.

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The reason that Viagra works the way it does is that it is a drug originally designed for the heart and circulatory system.. If the heart isn't pumping correctly one of the byproducts of that is impotence.. Erection occurs when blood is pumped into the core part of the penis..If there are circulatory problems this pumping system doesn't work correctly causing impotence.. Because Viagra is a heart medication, it is actually contraindicated for men who don't need it for that purpose.. It is a case of where the drug was being given for heart problems and they found that it relieved impotence as a by-product.


The same idea can be said for Terbutalin, an asthma medication.. They found that Terbutalin given during labor for an asthma attack stopped contractions.. So Terbutaline became a drug of choice in IV form to stop contractions in women who were trying to deliver too early.. I have a 35 year old son who was carried to term because I was given Terbutalin when I went into labor during my 6th month with him.. One medication, two uses..

Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: I said Used by men OUTSIDE of marriage. SO are you saying that birth control with in a marriage ...
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

I said Used by men OUTSIDE of marriage. SO are you saying that birth control with in a marriage should be allowed by the church because financial stress is also very hard on marriages and families. I think birth control should be allowed.

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Life ijn general is hard on individuals and families. Not only is there no guarantee life is going to be easy, Christ pretty much assured us it won't be, at least if we are faithful to Him. Just as Christ suffered for our salvation, we must suffer for the sake of being united with Him for eternity. For an excellent homily on salvific suffering, see:

wdtprs.com

If families have a legitimate need to space children, Natural Family Planning (NFP) techniques are a moral way to do so. Artificial contraception is not permitted because it thwarts the nature of the marital act. For more on why, see the Catechism (links below) and Theology of the Body.

www.intratext.com (para. 2370)

www.intratext.com (para. 2399):

The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).

Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: So I guess a poor married impotent man
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:


So I guess a poor married impotent man who has a wife that is in child bearing age will just have to wait until she passes menopause before taking Viagra.

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And the wife is going to be happy with this situation?

Feb 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: Exactly!!!! Everything is not black and white. I guess I was tired of reading the MANY view poin...
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

Exactly!!!! Everything is not black and white. I guess I was tired of reading the MANY view points from MEN re: what we should and should not do with our bodies, how we are wrong and even at time eluding to we are the route to all evil. I just wanted to put a twist to the discussions.
Eileen, I'm truly sorry to hear of your and your family's difficulties. I didn't mean to cause you any pain.

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However there are things that are black and white, whether that is convenient for us or not.

I'm curious as th what you consider men's "view points" as to what you should and should not do with your body as opposed to those who relate the objective moral teachings of the Church.

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