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02/17/2013 new

(Quote) Shara-929649 said: I might be wrong but I am pretty sure that Viagara does not make a man who is unable to ...
(Quote) Shara-929649 said:

I might be wrong but I am pretty sure that Viagara does not make a man who is unable to procreate able to. It simply enables him to perform sexually which is only a small part of the procreative process. Within the context of marriage the sexual act while mainly for procreation is also seen by the Church as a means to increase closeness and or intimacy between the spouses. Just like someone with congestive heart issues may take heart medication to enable them to withstand the rigors of the sex act, I see viagara in the same vein. I don't see the Church changing that view point as the Church's stance is against enhancing fertility not the ability to perform sexually.

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Shara,

That is beautifully well put. I haven't had time to read through all of the posts, but I really don't see the correlation either as it seems she is implying that viagra causes premarital sex, which it doesn't. Premarital sex and birth control are wrong but viagra is not when used in a loving marriage and has no correlation to birth control or abortions.

02/17/2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: It's amazing that there aren't any male comments on this article.... LOL
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

It's amazing that there aren't any male comments on this article.... LOL

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I think that it is wrong to use Viagra, if my opinion is worth anything. I am also against birth control and contraception...hopefully at my age that I won't have a problem with having a sex life since I would still like to have that someday with a woman that I love.
I don't know much about the drug Viagra but it seems to be another scheme by the drug companies to make money and ruin health for men. I still believe that any man who is active and healthy can have a good sex life into their 80's without drugs.

02/17/2013 new

(Quote) Ronald-937125 said: I think that it is wrong to use Viagra, if my opinion is worth anything. I am also again...
(Quote) Ronald-937125 said:



I think that it is wrong to use Viagra, if my opinion is worth anything. I am also against birth control and contraception...hopefully at my age that I won't have a problem with having a sex life since I would still like to have that someday with a woman that I love.
I don't know much about the drug Viagra but it seems to be another scheme by the drug companies to make money and ruin health for men. I still believe that any man who is active and healthy can have a good sex life into their 80's without drugs.

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Even if it is not something that you would use, that fact does not make it morally wrong. Even your reasoning which sites the motivation of the drug companies does not make it morally wrong. It is a choice, your choice, to not want to use it. I would agree that it is one that could quite possibly a good and prudent caution in this current environment of capitalistic motivation that disregards the quality of the human life and or the dignity of the human being. However, while for many men with regular exercise and a healthy regimen it is not an issue, it is for some. There is nothing morally wrong in using a drug to fix a health issue which is what Viagara is used for. We need to be careful to separate moral teaching with personal choices. We cannot site personal choices as issues of morality unless they are validly so. I hope that you understand what I mean.

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I have to say, this is a rather strange thread. Viagra is morally neutral. If a man uses it to allow sex outside of marriage, it's use would be wrong - not because the drug itself is objectionable but because he is engaging in sex outside of marriage. If a man uses Viagra to allow normal relations with his wife, that can never be wrong. By analogy, if a man couldn't engage in sex with his wife because he had a serious heart condition, would anyone think it was wrong for him to have corrective heart surgery - a benefit of which being that he and his wife could then enjoy normal relations? Of course not.
02/17/2013 new

(Quote) Brad-937504 said: I have to say, this is a rather strange thread. Viagra is morally neutral. If a man uses it to allow sex ...
(Quote) Brad-937504 said: I have to say, this is a rather strange thread. Viagra is morally neutral. If a man uses it to allow sex outside of marriage, it's use would be wrong - not because the drug itself is objectionable but because he is engaging in sex outside of marriage. If a man uses Viagra to allow normal relations with his wife, that can never be wrong. By analogy, if a man couldn't engage in sex with his wife because he had a serious heart condition, would anyone think it was wrong for him to have corrective heart surgery - a benefit of which being that he and his wife could then enjoy normal relations? Of course not.
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Well said. clap

02/17/2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: I believe the catholic church should make a decision on whether or not using viagra is again Cat...
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

I believe the catholic church should make a decision on whether or not using viagra is again Catholic teaching and God.


1)We all believe or asked to believe that abortion for what ever reason is against our teaching and church.
2) We all or are suppose to believe and practice ---NO premarital sex. Though I noticed that it is an option on this site.

If the above it true... Viagra also should be against Catholic believes and practice. God, whether directly or by medication is the one that chooses to make a man impotent. There maybe a very good reason God decided for the man to be impotent. His sperms maybe defective....Why put an innocent child through that misery. GOD is merciful. What gives humans the right to over ride GOD. We should not override GOD's decision in any matter when it comes to reproduction.
SEX is for reproduction and married couples. If sex in a marriage produces a handicapped child at least the child will have two loving parents. Handicapped children born by premarital sex are often raised solely by the mother since the father suddenly realizes that the church does not condone premarital sex.

What do other Catholic males or females think of the above. Agree or disagree and why

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Carole, in the Catechism under the section regarding reproductive technologies, the Church encourages the use of medical technology to correct issues that might be contributing to infertility (this is different from assisted reproductive technologies such as Artificial insemination and In Vitro fertilization etc). But, surgeries to correct blocked tubes, medications to assist in straightening out hormonal deficiencies etc, are generally acceptable. So I would assume that Viagra used in the context of a marital union I would assume based on this would be acceptable. Intercourse within a marriage is both procreative and unitive and is an important enough consideration that impotence can be an impediment to marriage. I have also read annulment cases where impotence or an inability of the spouses to engage in intercourse because of some physical impediment, which resulted in an inability to paricipate in consummation and/or a conjugal life was a primary consideration. While we are coming to an understanding that the quality of male sperm also suffers some effects due to advancing age, impotence is not necessarily linked with such a deterioration. Impotence in a vast majority of cases is linked to other health issues relating to most often the cardiovascular system. It can of course also be psychological in origin. I would suspect that Viagra would be an acceptable treatment within a married relationship so that the conjugal life of the couple could continue. Now, whether or not, the couple chooses to utilize this treatment is their decision and not all impotent men can or should use Viagra or its sibling drugs.

02/17/2013 new

(Quote) Shara-929649 said: Carole I do not think that there will ever be birth control options for Catholic marriag...
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Carole I do not think that there will ever be birth control options for Catholic marriage. The contraceptive intent is contrary to what we as Catholic believe is holy sexual expression within the context of marriage. Natural family planning with a contraceptive intent is also wrong. If you are ever open I would love to discuss this with you but it would even be better for you to discuss this with a priest. There are also many wise women in the pink room that I am sure would be willing to discuss this in detail with you. It is not about being open-minded but about acknowledging truth. When you begin to truly understand the intent and the awesomeness of God's plan for sexual expression in marriage these questions will be answered with clarity. I know that your questions stem out of a desire to learn so I am truly praying for God to give you the clarity that you seek. Keep seeking and you will find. God will not let you down. I am praying dear sister.

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Shara thank you for pointing out the intent portion of the equation and that even natural family planning methods utilized under the intent of contraception makes it morally wrong. It is an important concept in the discussion. Many I think forget this in their deliberations and the the openness to life, is prepared to accept a life when it comes, whether or not we were trying to manage the spacing etc through a legitimate method or not.

I would also add, though I think it was Jerry's post regarding artificial birth control. . .one of the reasons Artificial hormonal methods are also unacceptable is that one of their functions is abortifacient, while this mechanism may or may not kick in (and this is a very difficult mechanism to measure), it is still part of their design to make an inhospitable womb environment which if it failed to prevent ovulation, could result in the inability of the embryo to implant in the uterine lining which makes it not anti-ovulatory but abortifacient in mechanism. Intrauterine devices with or without hormones are particularly abortifacient in their operative mechanism.

Birth control in any form is such a hot button topic, but I believe that it is exceptionally important to discuss all of these distinctions and points so that a couple may make their decisions with a fully informed awareness of the potentials and so that they may through prayer and study understand all the nuances of making these moral decisions. And, that they may work on their own interior thoughts in regard to opennesss to life, accepting God's will in their marriage, accepting what lives are brought into their care (through any number of means). Many are unaware of the actual mechanisms of hormonal birth control, and while they may not see prevention of ovulation as problematic, they are horrified to know it might also cause an abortion - something they would never openly choose. Lauren

02/17/2013 new

(Quote) Lauren-927923 said: Shara thank you for pointing out the intent portion of the equation and that even natur...
(Quote) Lauren-927923 said:

Shara thank you for pointing out the intent portion of the equation and that even natural family planning methods utilized under the intent of contraception makes it morally wrong. It is an important concept in the discussion. Many I think forget this in their deliberations and the the openness to life, is prepared to accept a life when it comes, whether or not we were trying to manage the spacing etc through a legitimate method or not.

I would also add, though I think it was Jerry's post regarding artificial birth control. . .one of the reasons Artificial hormonal methods are also unacceptable is that one of their functions is abortifacient, while this mechanism may or may not kick in (and this is a very difficult mechanism to measure), it is still part of their design to make an inhospitable womb environment which if it failed to prevent ovulation, could result in the inability of the embryo to implant in the uterine lining which makes it not anti-ovulatory but abortifacient in mechanism. Intrauterine devices with or without hormones are particularly abortifacient in their operative mechanism.

Birth control in any form is such a hot button topic, but I believe that it is exceptionally important to discuss all of these distinctions and points so that a couple may make their decisions with a fully informed awareness of the potentials and so that they may through prayer and study understand all the nuances of making these moral decisions. And, that they may work on their own interior thoughts in regard to opennesss to life, accepting God's will in their marriage, accepting what lives are brought into their care (through any number of means). Many are unaware of the actual mechanisms of hormonal birth control, and while they may not see prevention of ovulation as problematic, they are horrified to know it might also cause an abortion - something they would never openly choose. Lauren

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Brilliantly said. clap clap clap

02/17/2013 new

(Quote) Lauren-927923 said: So I would assume that Viagra used in the context of a marital union I would assume based on thi...
(Quote) Lauren-927923 said:

So I would assume that Viagra used in the context of a marital union I would assume based on this would be acceptable.

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I would think that the church wouldn't recommend this drug viagra or any other drug to help a couples sex life; I think that you are right though in that it would not be a sin to use it. There are probably natural supplements or certain types of foods that would help a persons sex life; I know that I have seen ads for things like this that seem to be safer than viagra.

02/17/2013 new

This is not on topic But it is the first time I saw another person from Springfield MA Now 2 women from the same forum!

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