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Saint Thomas More was martyred during the Protestant Reformation for standing firm in the Faith and not recognizing the King of England as the Supreme Head of the Church.
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Feb 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Carole-893801 said: Keep in mind I am NOT against Viagra or Birth control (not Abortion). Both topic are separate an...
(Quote) Carole-893801 said:

Keep in mind I am NOT against Viagra or Birth control (not Abortion). Both topic are separate and not tied to each other. BUT interesting when viewed together.

Think about both matters seperately.....

Viagra has many medical purposes- agreed. AND it is important for married couples to have intimacy. (Even though I do know women that love their men no less because they are impotent.) I glad the church doesn't frown on Viagra.


That being said. If I already had 5-7+ children, as it truly was the norm in our parents or grandparents time. ...Just think back to your friends with many brothers and sisters OR to the church being full of children on Sundays.. (BEFORE Catholics used birth control) DO you think I would welcome intimacy with my husband? I would want but also fear intimacy. My husband may become impotent just from the stress of thinking about another mouth to feed!

I just want people to think about it and not be closed minded. AND AGAIN I am not talking about ABORTION.

I'm sure there will be those that will not agree, have an argument or even refuse to think about it. And that is fine.

Maybe we need a discussion of birth control options for catholics. That maybe helpful for the younger hopefully soon to be married members. If there is a forum already I apologize for suggesting one.

Also I have been told that this subject ( Viagra birth control) has been discussed at lenght already.... I couldn't find it when I searched. Maybe someone could be kind enough to tell me how I can search it in this site?

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Like others, I'm having a hard time wrapping my analytical brain around the arguments you present... Are you saying that because the Church has an official teaching on contracention, she should therefore also have an official teaching on Viagra? Or are you saying that because the Church doesn't have an official stance on Viagra, she should also drop her teaching that contraception is morally wrong?

I'm thinking that maybe your real issue here is with the Church's teachings on contraception? As Catholics, even if we don't agree with it, we are bound to accept it and to live it. Of course it's a good idea to seek answers to your questions and to understand the teaching better. It's easier to accept something if you understand the reasoning behind it. Others have provided good sources on this topic. You said that a priest once told you to do what is right for your family... This assumes that out of several morally acceptable alternatives, you are free to choose one that's best for you. Contraception cannot be one of those alternatives because it is not morally acceptable.

As to your point about having 5-7 children and fearing intimacy because the couple is afraid of getting pregnant again... If they have more children than they can feed, they should have learned the proper use of NFP a while ago. That's exactly what NFP is for - to exercise responsible parenthood to ensure this doesn't happen. When used properly, NFP is no less reliable than artificial birth control, so in that sense if a couple wouldn't fear intimacy with the use of birth control, then they shouldn't fear it with the use of NFP either.

Feb 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Lauren-927923 said: impotence can be an impediment to marriage. I have also read annulment cases where impotence or ...
(Quote) Lauren-927923 said:

impotence can be an impediment to marriage. I have also read annulment cases where impotence or an inability of the spouses to engage in intercourse because of some physical impediment, which resulted in an inability to paricipate in consummation and/or a conjugal life was a primary consideration.

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Antecedent (to the marriage) and perpetual impotence is indeed an impediment to marriage. Impotence that develops after marriage is treated as any other medical condition and would not be grounds for a decree of nullity ("in sickness and in health, to death do us part").

Feb 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Ronald-937125 said:I would think that the church wouldn't recommend this drug viagra or any other drug to help ...
(Quote) Ronald-937125 said:

I would think that the church wouldn't recommend this drug viagra or any other drug to help a couples sex life; I think that you are right though in that it would not be a sin to use it. There are probably natural supplements or certain types of foods that would help a persons sex life; I know that I have seen ads for things like this that seem to be safer than viagra.

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To the best of my knowledge, the Church doesn't recommend specific medical treatments for any condition. I don't disagree that Viagra and similar drugs may not be the most prudent course of treatment; however, this does not render their use immoral.

Feb 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Jerry-74383 said: Antecedent (to the marriage) and perpetual impotence is indeed an impediment to marriage....
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said:

Antecedent (to the marriage) and perpetual impotence is indeed an impediment to marriage. Impotence that develops after marriage is treated as any other medical condition and would not be grounds for a decree of nullity ("in sickness and in health, to death do us part").

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Correct. Impotence present before marriage is an impediment. Impotence developing later is not grounds for annulment. But, impotence not necessarily known at the time of the marriage that prevents consummation can be.

Feb 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Jerry-74383 said: To the best of my knowledge, the Church doesn't recommend specific medical treatments...
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said:

To the best of my knowledge, the Church doesn't recommend specific medical treatments for any condition. I don't disagree that Viagra and similar drugs may not be the most prudent course of treatment; however, this does not render their use immoral.

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Right, I haven't seen any specific recommendations either. I thought perhaps the following might be helpful for those interested in the topic.

the encouragement of research can be found in the Catechism paragraph 2375:

2375 Research aimed at reducing human sterility is to be encouraged, on condition that it is placed “at the service of the human person, of his inalienable rights, and his true and integral good according to the design and will of God.”166 (2293)

The following paragraphs (not included here) address reproductive technologies specifically. (2376-77).

While the above addresses impotence from the perspective of fertility. It could also be addressed from the perspective of the unitive function. As couples who are infertile and those who are past the time of fertility may still maintain a conjugal life, which is not diminished.

1654 Spouses to whom God has not granted children can nevertheless have a conjugal life full of meaning, in both human and Christian terms. Their marriage can radiate a fruitfulness of charity, of hospitality, and of sacrifice.

Regardless, prayerful consideration and study of all new technologies, including drug therapies, should be undertaken by the couple together.

Feb 17th 2013 new

I think its that warning at the about having an erection that lasts more than 4 hrs that really sells the viagra. I doubt many guys are gonna 'call their doctor'.

Feb 17th 2013 new

lol

Feb 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Lauren-927923 said: Regardless, prayerful consideration and study of all new technologies, including drug t...
(Quote) Lauren-927923 said:

Regardless, prayerful consideration and study of all new technologies, including drug therapies, should be undertaken by the couple together.

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Where did the above sentence come from; I guess you made it up, since it's not in the Catechism?

I don't think that any drug therapies are safe even if not immoral or a sin.

Feb 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Joseph-624078 said: lol
(Quote) Joseph-624078 said:

lol

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Ummm..You guys can laugh but my understanding is that there is pain associated with a continous erection akin to being kicked there over and over.

Feb 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Ronald-937125 said: Where did the above sentence come from; I guess you made it up, since it's not in th...
(Quote) Ronald-937125 said:



Where did the above sentence come from; I guess you made it up, since it's not in the Catechism?

I don't think that any drug therapies are safe even if not immoral or a sin.

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You are correct, the bottom was my own statement. I thought that would have been evident from the spacing. So I suppose in a sense it is made up, since I did create the sentence. As for the safety of drug therapies, one must be careful in thinking that drug therapies are only developed by pharmaceutical companies. Homeopathic, natural remedies are also drug therapies. The difference being that the active compounds in the latter are obtained from their naturally occurring origin, and often synthesized as well into tinctures or pills, rather than being extracted from a natural source and/or synthetically created through chemistry. Even homeopathic remedies are drug therapies. All drug therapies carry some cost with them, and those risks must be weighed against the benefits that can be obtained from the therapy.

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