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Devoted to discussion pertaining to those issues which are specifically relevant to people 45+. Topics must have a specific perspective of people in this age group for it to be on topic.

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Feb 26th 2013 new

(Quote) Ronald-937125 said: Men can have children at any age...without viagra...that was done all the time in the 19...
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Men can have children at any age...without viagra...that was done all the time in the 19th century when a 50 year old man could marry a 20 year old woman and it wasn't a big deal.

If I married a 20 year old there would be no problem with me having children...if a woman over 50 married a 20 year old man I really don't think she could have children...that's just reality, I'm not trying to create ill feelings here...

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Men might be able "to have children at any age..", but it does not mean their children will be born healthy (physically, emotionally and/or intellectually), because their sperm is older. Yup, it is in fact the same as for woman... Men and women who chose to have children when they are older might give birth to a healthy child, or not. If they are willing to take this chance, it is their business, for sure. But they should be willing assume the consequences either way of their act of bringing into the world a child who will begin his or her adult years with elderly parents that might be in good health or losing their autonomy. Quite the burden to place on their child at an age when this one should be starting to experience all that life has to offer to them, and start to make their dreams come true.

Not all human behaviours are right, even if they continue to be encouraged and happen. In developped countries people are supposed to know better how to behave for being better educated and aware that human beings go through various developmental stages at different ages. Huge age difference in couples are their business, but are most likely due to psychological issues that they have.

Intergenerational attractions are normal and have existed since the beginning of time, but it does not mean they should be acted upon as in primitive times. A man or a woman strongly attracted to someone much older than they are and acting on it might have been victimized in their childhood by a sexual predator or abandonned by their parent of the opposite gender and they either do not know any better (have no self-esteem, no concept of right or wrong) or are looking for a replacement parental figure. A man or a woman who lusts after a young person and seduces them is either unaware of forgetting that they should be setting an example for that young person as to how a mature adult should behave when noble in heart: by resisting inappropriate attractions. In the olden days, people didn't know better. Nowadays, we do. Which is why it is wrong to exploit a person much younger than oneself in order to get what one desires too late in life (children), even if this person is wanting to be exploited. Christ taught us through our baptism that we are royalty. Royalty of the noble sort. This means self-sacrifice at times, even when we do not feel like it. It means we are called to reflect on our actions, to question why we want what we want and to ask ourselves, "What Would Jesus Do?" May God have mercy on the souls of those who chose to exploit youth or who chose to enter into relationships with adults with whom they have nothing in common, nothing to speaking, just physical attraction, as if this is love. two cents



Feb 26th 2013 new

(Quote) Joan-529855 said: COme on Jerry, master of all data and statistics, check your statistics. The average ...
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COme on Jerry, master of all data and statistics, check your statistics. The average life expentancy for men at birth was somewhere in the low 40's. I have no idea why you are asking about age 18 or higher; that isn't the way life expentancy statistics work. I promise you, on average, men were not fathering children with 20 year old females well into their 50's during that time period. In this regard, Ron is dillusional.

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It's not to nice of you to be name calling; but since I am a good guy it doesn't bother me :)

Below is a link of a "man's man" from the 19th century who married when he was 60 years old for the first time; his wife was over 40 years younger than him (who he outlived) and they had seven children, with the last being born when he was well in his 70's. This is possible since he didn't have the miracles of our modern medicine, ha, ha...

www.lewisandclarktrail.com


Feb 27th 2013 new

(Quote) Joan-529855 said: I can remove the words "physical appearance" and can replace them with &quo...
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I can remove the words "physical appearance" and can replace them with "emotional support" and it would have the same effect. Watch this, "with a little effort emotional support can be maintained waaay into old age. Not to forget the effect of seeing ones spouse actually making this effort for the sake of the marriage. As positive that effect is, as negative is the opposite to use aging as an excuse to just let go." WOW, that was SOO easy.


Please do not trivialize the Holy Father's statements by saying that TOB is correct on a general level, but.... Wow, that is like saying scripture is correct on a general level but......

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Would saying that scripture is correct on a general level be such a bad thing? For example the story of creation is correct, on a general level. On a detailed level modern physics shows events most likely happened in another order than the scripture tells.

Feb 27th 2013 new

(Quote) Ronald-937125 said: It's not to nice of you to be name calling; but since I am a good guy it doesn't...
(Quote) Ronald-937125 said:



It's not to nice of you to be name calling; but since I am a good guy it doesn't bother me :)

Below is a link of a "man's man" from the 19th century who married when he was 60 years old for the first time; his wife was over 40 years younger than him (who he outlived) and they had seven children, with the last being born when he was well in his 70's. This is possible since he didn't have the miracles of our modern medicine, ha, ha...

www.lewisandclarktrail.com

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Oh, boy, here comes the obvious question: Who cared for his young children after his wife died and he was "well into his 70's"? shocked Is this the life you reallly want for yourself? ALong with the possiblity that you could have one or more children with disabilities. Old men procreating is just job security for me; I am a special ed. teacher.

Feb 27th 2013 new

(Quote) Francine-132290 said: Men might be able "to have children at any age..", but it does not mean thei...
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Men might be able "to have children at any age..", but it does not mean their children will be born healthy (physically, emotionally and/or intellectually), because their sperm is older. Yup, it is in fact the same as for woman... Men and women who chose to have children when they are older might give birth to a healthy child, or not. If they are willing to take this chance, it is their business, for sure. But they should be willing assume the consequences either way of their act of bringing into the world a child who will begin his or her adult years with elderly parents that might be in good health or losing their autonomy. Quite the burden to place on their child at an age when this one should be starting to experience all that life has to offer to them, and start to make their dreams come true.

Not all human behaviours are right, even if they continue to be encouraged and happen. In developped countries people are supposed to know better how to behave for being better educated and aware that human beings go through various developmental stages at different ages. Huge age difference in couples are their business, but are most likely due to psychological issues that they have.

Intergenerational attractions are normal and have existed since the beginning of time, but it does not mean they should be acted upon as in primitive times. A man or a woman strongly attracted to someone much older than they are and acting on it might have been victimized in their childhood by a sexual predator or abandonned by their parent of the opposite gender and they either do not know any better (have no self-esteem, no concept of right or wrong) or are looking for a replacement parental figure. A man or a woman who lusts after a young person and seduces them is either unaware of forgetting that they should be setting an example for that young person as to how a mature adult should behave when noble in heart: by resisting inappropriate attractions. In the olden days, people didn't know better. Nowadays, we do. Which is why it is wrong to exploit a person much younger than oneself in order to get what one desires too late in life (children), even if this person is wanting to be exploited. Christ taught us through our baptism that we are royalty. Royalty of the noble sort. This means self-sacrifice at times, even when we do not feel like it. It means we are called to reflect on our actions, to question why we want what we want and to ask ourselves, "What Would Jesus Do?" May God have mercy on the souls of those who chose to exploit youth or who chose to enter into relationships with adults with whom they have nothing in common, nothing to speaking, just physical attraction, as if this is love.



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Francine, very well written.

Feb 27th 2013 new

(Quote) Peter-933860 said: Would saying that scripture is correct on a general level be such a bad thing? For example the st...
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Would saying that scripture is correct on a general level be such a bad thing? For example the story of creation is correct, on a general level. On a detailed level modern physics shows events most likely happened in another order than the scripture tells.

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Peter, I disagree with your above statement. We can agree to disagree biggrin.

Feb 27th 2013 new

(Quote) Joan-529855 said: Peter, I disagree with your above statement. We can agree to disagree .
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Peter, I disagree with your above statement. We can agree to disagree .

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Absolutely! I will never force anyone into a discussion they don't want to be a part of. Dove

Feb 27th 2013 new

(Quote) Joan-529855 said: Francine, very well written.
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Francine, very well written.

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Thank you, Joan. I enjoy reading your statements. smile

Feb 27th 2013 new
(Quote) Julie-42315 said: Just wondering. Do most people have them?
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Just wondering. Do most people have them?





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Running 1/2 marathons why your friends gain weight
Mar 4th 2013 new

(Quote) Linda-756196 said: Beats me. I wouldn't be struggling at all if I hadn't become a widow. I was happy with me...
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Beats me. I wouldn't be struggling at all if I hadn't become a widow. I was happy with me and my life. I didn't want for more. Now, it is like a forced midlife crisis

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