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Mar 1st 2013 new

(Quote) Dan-28682 said: Check out this video...it talks about the consequences of removing the procreative aspect of the con...
(Quote) Dan-28682 said:

Check out this video...it talks about the consequences of removing the procreative aspect of the conjugal act...

www.youtube.com

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Thank you Dan for the awesome video! Excellent!

Mar 1st 2013 new

(Quote) Marian-83994 said: Exactly. No one is allowed to have any critical thinking about any of the new idols that ...
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Exactly. No one is allowed to have any critical thinking about any of the new idols that have captured the souls of so many. It has been banned by condemnation of anyone who tries.

Lets hope God can still find faith in the future here on this earth.

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The elevation of gays to the status of demi-gods is one of the most sacred dogmas of today. If you dare to question this dogma, the inquisition will punish you severely. Heretics are not tolerated.

Mar 1st 2013 new

(Quote) Heather-705104 said: I just heard on the news this morning that same sex marriage in the state of Il is basically on...
(Quote) Heather-705104 said:

I just heard on the news this morning that same sex marriage in the state of Il is basically one step away from being made a law. While I am NOT saying that same sex marriage is ok, I do have some issues with what everyone is saying about the sanctity of marriage. Everyone keeps contending that marriage should be kept between a man and a woman and I totally agree with that. BUT, many people are arguing that by making same sex marriage legal, the sanctity of marriage is being ruined. This is where I have major qualms.....

I am a BIG proponent for marriage for life, even after my divorce. I said my vows, meant them, etc. So, when people are saying that the sanctity of marriage will be ruined by allowing same sex marriage, I can't help but think that in all reality, the sanctity of marriage is being ruined by heterosexual marriages. Divorces are WAY to easy to obtain these days, and with divorce approaching a 60% failure rate for first time marriages, where is the sanctity of these types of marriages?

Everyone is standing up and fighting AGAINST same sex marriage b/c that is not what God's intention for marriage is. I don't however, see ANYONE standing up and fighting for what IS God's intention for marriage.... and that is marriage for LIFE between a man and a woman. Why are so many people protesting against these same sex marriages instead of fighting for the true marriage plan God intended???

Is it just me... or are things getting a little backwards? If we WANT to keep marriage heterosexual, shouldn't we be fighting FOR keeping these marriages till death do we part, not just until we can't stand each other any more, we find someone we think we like better, etc? No one is protesting at divorce hearings about what God's true plan for marriage is; maybe it is the married people who aren't keeping the sanctity of marriage..... I know more homosexual couples who have been together longer than most married couples! Not saying I agree but just making a point.

I understnad that there are instances in which marriages need to be dissolved, such as abuse, etc b/c that is a safety issue etc so please don't get me wrong there. I just think that divorces are far too easy to get these days, and anyone can get married too. Maybe marriage counseling needs to be mandated for all marriages, regardless if they are held in a civil ceremony or not.

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What's easier -- working on keeping a marriage intact, or going to a divorce court (generally speaking, of course)? Married couples become lax in their attention and devotion to their spouses, abandoning the concept of commitment, and, as society goes, taking the easy way out. I believe many marriages could be saved with effort on the part of both husband and wife. That doesn't seem to be the goal with many, however. There are legitimate reasons for leaving one's mate, but for some it seems to be a matter of boredom and let's see what's on the other side of the fence. Succumbing to temptations is also damaging (infidelity, additiction to porn, etc.). Years ago the concept of "no-fault" divorce was instituted so make divorces a much easier process.

With Catholics, it can be a matter of education and not totally understanding the degree of commitment needed. Spouses need to continue communicating with each other, sharing their thoughts and dreams, actively pursue the improvement of their relationship. It isn't a matter of after 10 years (or some other number) saying this is as good as it gets and each person concentrates on his or needs, not those of their spouses.

If hetersexual marriages were more solid and longer lasting, the argument about restricting marriage laws would have more credibility. Unfortunately, enough time has passed that divorce is routinely accepted, condoned and even encouraged in some instances. Having a rough time this month? Well, just pack up and leave. It's the easy way out. Having problems with particular issues? It's easier to bail out than to work at solving them.There are instances when leaving one's mate is justified (abuse being one of the primary issues for example).

If some type of unions with same-sex couples are declared legal, we will eventually see that they, too, will face the same problems with commiitment, fidelity and so on. They will also break up their union. I firmly believe that after some time passes, that will be inevitable.

We see our own President asking the court system to overturn California's ban on same-sex marriages. So much for each branch of the federal government being independent. Perhaps the US Supreme Court which is bound to eventually deal with the issue may be our last hope. Time will tell.

Mar 1st 2013 new

Ray, I completely agree and think I touched on this in one of my posts. We are a society of disposable EVERYTHING; marriages and family are no different. And yes, I do think a lot of infidelity is due to a lack of boredom but I also think that those who turn to infidelity are often the ones who often are doing nothing to change their marriage.

Very good points

Mar 1st 2013 new
(Quote) Ray-566531 said: What's easier -- working on keeping a marriage intact, or going to a divorce court (generally speaking, of co...
(Quote) Ray-566531 said:

What's easier -- working on keeping a marriage intact, or going to a divorce court (generally speaking, of course)? Married couples become lax in their attention and devotion to their spouses, abandoning the concept of commitment, and, as society goes, taking the easy way out. I believe many marriages could be saved with effort on the part of both husband and wife. That doesn't seem to be the goal with many, however. There are legitimate reasons for leaving one's mate, but for some it seems to be a matter of boredom and let's see what's on the other side of the fence. Succumbing to temptations is also damaging (infidelity, additiction to porn, etc.). Years ago the concept of "no-fault" divorce was instituted so make divorces a much easier process.



With Catholics, it can be a matter of education and not totally understanding the degree of commitment needed. Spouses need to continue communicating with each other, sharing their thoughts and dreams, actively pursue the improvement of their relationship. It isn't a matter of after 10 years (or some other number) saying this is as good as it gets and each person concentrates on his or needs, not those of their spouses.



If hetersexual marriages were more solid and longer lasting, the argument about restricting marriage laws would have more credibility. Unfortunately, enough time has passed that divorce is routinely accepted, condoned and even encouraged in some instances. Having a rough time this month? Well, just pack up and leave. It's the easy way out. Having problems with particular issues? It's easier to bail out than to work at solving them.There are instances when leaving one's mate is justified (abuse being one of the primary issues for example).



If some type of unions with same-sex couples are declared legal, we will eventually see that they, too, will face the same problems with commiitment, fidelity and so on. They will also break up their union. I firmly believe that after some time passes, that will be inevitable.



We see our own President asking the court system to overturn California's ban on same-sex marriages. So much for each branch of the federal government being independent. Perhaps the US Supreme Court which is bound to eventually deal with the issue may be our last hope. Time will tell.

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We can look forward to seeing religious institutions that refuse to affirm the nomalcy of homosexuality being treated like Bob Jones University was vis-a-vis its pre-1970s policy about inter-racial dating or the Aryan Nations was.

The Catholic Church likely will end up being defined as a hate group as will all who do not kneel before the homosexualist ideology.
Mar 1st 2013 new

(Quote) Heather-705104 said: Everyone is standing up and fighting AGAINST same sex marriage b/c that is not what God's i...
(Quote) Heather-705104 said:

Everyone is standing up and fighting AGAINST same sex marriage b/c that is not what God's intention for marriage is. I don't however, see ANYONE standing up and fighting for what IS God's intention for marriage.... and that is marriage for LIFE between a man and a woman. Why are so many people protesting against these same sex marriages instead of fighting for the true marriage plan God intended???

Is it just me... or are things getting a little backwards? If we WANT to keep marriage heterosexual, shouldn't we be fighting FOR keeping these marriages till death do we part, not just until we can't stand each other any more, we find someone we think we like better, etc? No one is protesting at divorce hearings about what God's true plan for marriage is; maybe it is the married people who aren't keeping the sanctity of marriage..... I know more homosexual couples who have been together longer than most married couples! Not saying I agree but just making a point.

I understnad that there are instances in which marriages need to be dissolved, such as abuse, etc b/c that is a safety issue etc so please don't get me wrong there. I just think that divorces are far too easy to get these days, and anyone can get married too. Maybe marriage counseling needs to be mandated for all marriages, regardless if they are held in a civil ceremony or not.

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I agree that divorce shouldn't be made such a trivial thing in our culture and in the media. As a single, never married, sometimes I think that I offend people when I might say that marriage is for life and if you are divorced it is a serious sin.

I know someone on a marriage tribunal who told me one time that if I date a divorced women that he would help to get an annulment so that we could get married in the Catholic church. After that incident I really don't believe that a lot of the annulments granted are valid either.

I don't know of any people personally in a same sex marriage...I think most people against it, including me, don't believe that homosexuals are born that way and that they are sinning. It's pretty sad that governments like the idea of same sex couples getting married so that they can commit homosexual acts which are offensive to God. Why is it called same sex marriage? I guess friends of the same sex can also get married that aren't homosexual; or do you vow to commit homosexual acts when you are getting married?

Mar 3rd 2013 new

(Quote) Heather-705104 said: I just heard on the news this morning that same sex marriage in the state of Il is basically on...
(Quote) Heather-705104 said:

I just heard on the news this morning that same sex marriage in the state of Il is basically one step away from being made a law. While I am NOT saying that same sex marriage is ok, I do have some issues with what everyone is saying about the sanctity of marriage. Everyone keeps contending that marriage should be kept between a man and a woman and I totally agree with that. BUT, many people are arguing that by making same sex marriage legal, the sanctity of marriage is being ruined. This is where I have major qualms.....

I am a BIG proponent for marriage for life, even after my divorce. I said my vows, meant them, etc. So, when people are saying that the sanctity of marriage will be ruined by allowing same sex marriage, I can't help but think that in all reality, the sanctity of marriage is being ruined by heterosexual marriages. Divorces are WAY to easy to obtain these days, and with divorce approaching a 60% failure rate for first time marriages, where is the sanctity of these types of marriages?

Everyone is standing up and fighting AGAINST same sex marriage b/c that is not what God's intention for marriage is. I don't however, see ANYONE standing up and fighting for what IS God's intention for marriage.... and that is marriage for LIFE between a man and a woman. Why are so many people protesting against these same sex marriages instead of fighting for the true marriage plan God intended???

Is it just me... or are things getting a little backwards? If we WANT to keep marriage heterosexual, shouldn't we be fighting FOR keeping these marriages till death do we part, not just until we can't stand each other any more, we find someone we think we like better, etc? No one is protesting at divorce hearings about what God's true plan for marriage is; maybe it is the married people who aren't keeping the sanctity of marriage..... I know more homosexual couples who have been together longer than most married couples! Not saying I agree but just making a point.

I understnad that there are instances in which marriages need to be dissolved, such as abuse, etc b/c that is a safety issue etc so please don't get me wrong there. I just think that divorces are far too easy to get these days, and anyone can get married too. Maybe marriage counseling needs to be mandated for all marriages, regardless if they are held in a civil ceremony or not.

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You are not the only one here who sees this. When the supreme court brought the no-fault divorce decree back in the none-seventies, divorce rates went up immensely. I don't see anyone overturning that decree either.

Mar 3rd 2013 new

(Quote) Elizabeth-114955 said: (Quote) Heather-705104 said: I just heard on the news this morning tha...
(Quote) Elizabeth-114955 said:

Quote:
Heather-705104 said:

I just heard on the news this morning that same sex marriage in the state of Il is basically one step away from being made a law. While I am NOT saying that same sex marriage is ok, I do have some issues with what everyone is saying about the sanctity of marriage. Everyone keeps contending that marriage should be kept between a man and a woman and I totally agree with that. BUT, many people are arguing that by making same sex marriage legal, the sanctity of marriage is being ruined. This is where I have major qualms.....

I am a BIG proponent for marriage for life, even after my divorce. I said my vows, meant them, etc. So, when people are saying that the sanctity of marriage will be ruined by allowing same sex marriage, I can't help but think that in all reality, the sanctity of marriage is being ruined by heterosexual marriages. Divorces are WAY to easy to obtain these days, and with divorce approaching a 60% failure rate for first time marriages, where is the sanctity of these types of marriages?

Everyone is standing up and fighting AGAINST same sex marriage b/c that is not what God's intention for marriage is. I don't however, see ANYONE standing up and fighting for what IS God's intention for marriage.... and that is marriage for LIFE between a man and a woman. Why are so many people protesting against these same sex marriages instead of fighting for the true marriage plan God intended???

Is it just me... or are things getting a little backwards? If we WANT to keep marriage heterosexual, shouldn't we be fighting FOR keeping these marriages till death do we part, not just until we can't stand each other any more, we find someone we think we like better, etc? No one is protesting at divorce hearings about what God's true plan for marriage is; maybe it is the married people who aren't keeping the sanctity of marriage..... I know more homosexual couples who have been together longer than most married couples! Not saying I agree but just making a point.

I understnad that there are instances in which marriages need to be dissolved, such as abuse, etc b/c that is a safety issue etc so please don't get me wrong there. I just think that divorces are far too easy to get these days, and anyone can get married too. Maybe marriage counseling needs to be mandated for all marriages, regardless if they are held in a civil ceremony or not.


You are not the only one here who sees this. When the supreme court brought the no-fault divorce decree back in the none-seventies, divorce rates went up immensely. I don't see anyone overturning that decree either.

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Oops I meant nineteen-seventies not none-seventies sorry

Mar 3rd 2013 new

(Quote) Elizabeth-114955 said: Oops I meant nineteen-seventies not none-seventies
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Oops I meant nineteen-seventies not none-seventies

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here is an exrpt from No-fault divorce - en.wikipedia.org

"A paper published in The Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, written by Douglas Allen, on the economics of same-sex marriage, argues that the introduction of no-fault divorce lead to a six-fold increase in just two years after a century of rather stable divorce rates. Also, the law increased the rate at which women entered the workforce, increased the number of hours worked in a week, increased the feminization of poverty, and the age at which people married.[27]"

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