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Mar 4th 2013 new

(Quote) ED-20630 said: I had a similar "overpopulation myth" discussion with a rather extreme environmentalist (80...
(Quote) ED-20630 said:

I had a similar "overpopulation myth" discussion with a rather extreme environmentalist (80 year old) friend (George) of mine at the coffee shop earlier this week. He is convinced that the world is greatly overpopulated at this time and that it is just getting worse and worse. He is also rather socialist in his views of funding all sorts of government programs by severely taxing the "rich".


I argued that the world's governments and societies will have many more problems in coming years due to not enough young (working) people rather than too many young people.... The more socialist societies will have even more problems because they require many more working people to pay for all of the "free" government programs. Less young (working) people will translate to higher taxes and less money for social programs (e.g. see Greece, and others).


I think that you will find this web site to be interesting. There is a lot of interesting "fertility rate" and population info here. It appears that the source for all (or most) of the data is the CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) Fact Book, accurate as of July 2012... probably a rather reliable source. The generally accepted "replacement fertility rate" is and average of 2.1 children per woman. Fall below 2.1, and your country's population is not replacing itself (except, perhaps by immigration). You will see from the large bar chart that of the 222 countries in the world, 106 countries are below the replacement rate of 2.1 children. You will see that essentially every single large, modern, industrialized country is currently below the replacement level of 2.1 children. I believe that I read somewhere else on that web site that 48% of the world's population lives in a country which is below the 2.1 child replacement rate. This doesn't exactly agree with the fear and calamity predictions of the "over-population people".


>>> www.indexmundi.com

By the way... You will also notice from the bar chart that some major, modern, industrialized countries is in serious jeopardy of essentially disappearing from the world stage due to their extremely low fertility rates. Some countries among them include Germany (1.41), Japan (1.39), Poland (1.31), South Korea (1.23), Taiwan (1.10), Hong Kong (1.09) and Singapore (0.78 - Yikes!). The USA is at 2.06 and China is at 1.55.

I probably isn't necessary to say... But I was not able to change George's mind on the threat myth of over-population.

Ed

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That is an excellent chart, Ed. I could not find the US though. Did you see it? Also, I thought I heard that Japan
is less than 1 child per couple.

Mar 4th 2013 new

(Quote) Sean-851370 said: The MSM are a source for mass confusion regardless of whether they are right or left o...
(Quote) Sean-851370 said:




The MSM are a source for mass confusion regardless of whether they are right or left or in-between. There just aren't many dissident media.

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I think it is hard for Mainstream media to get facts right because there are so many lies planted. Plus, they try to jump
on the bandwagon if they see a competitor with a breaking news flash and just about copy what they are saying. Even
if it is wrong.

I guess that is how lies get pushed along in the MSM.

Mar 4th 2013 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: Hi Marianne et alia,I checked out the Dennis Rodman story, and it turns out that t...
(Quote) James-17080 said:



Hi Marianne et alia,

I checked out the Dennis Rodman story, and it turns out that the State Department is distancing itself from Rodman's chumminess with Kim. If push comes to shove, someone should remind Rodman of the Logan Act.

James ☺

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I can only hope that Dennis Rodman makes a good Western impression on the NK's. Sometimes countries just fall
from withing--like when the population tastes freedom or realizes what they are missing.

As far as I have seen from visiting South Korea, and talking to those whose relatives got caught in North Korea,
the NR's are flagrantly brainwashed into the good of what they have and the badness of the rest of the world.

Maybe the NK's can have a rebound like the folks behind the iron country had when the Berlin wall came down? Do you think it is
possible? After all, China has opened up its culture to Western ways.

Mar 4th 2013 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: Hi Marianne et alia,I checked...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:

Quote:
James-17080 said:



Hi Marianne et alia,

I checked out the Dennis Rodman story, and it turns out that the State Department is distancing itself from Rodman's chumminess with Kim. If push comes to shove, someone should remind Rodman of the Logan Act.

James ☺




I can only hope that Dennis Rodman makes a good Westernimpression on the NK's. Sometimes countries just fall
from withing--like when the population tastes freedom or realizes what they are missing.

As far as I have seen from visiting South Korea, and talking to those whose relatives got caught in North Korea,
the NR's are flagrantly brainwashed into the good of what they have and the badness of the rest of the world.

Maybe the NK's can have a rebound like the folks behind the iron country had when the Berlin wall came down? Do you think it is
possible? After all, China has opened up its culture to Western ways.

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Hi Marianne et alia,

Rodman once got married in a wedding dress. And he has all of those godawful tatoos. And drug use. And judging from what I've read so far, Rodman doesn't have a clue about NK. They almost certainly gave him the guided tour, and I'll bet he thinks the whole country is wonderful.

It would take the Good Witch of the North to clean up Rodman.

James ☺

Mar 4th 2013 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: Hi Marianne et alia,Rodman once got married in a wedding dress. And he has all of ...
(Quote) James-17080 said:



Hi Marianne et alia,

Rodman once got married in a wedding dress. And he has all of those godawful tatoos. And drug use. And judging from what I've read so far, Rodman doesn't have a clue about NK. They almost certainly gave him the guided tour, and I'll bet he thinks the whole country is wonderful.

It would take the Good Witch of the North to clean up Rodman.

James ☺

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James, it isn't so much about Rodman and his sensitivities, as much it is about highlighting to the repressed
NK's about the rest of the world.

They may just about faint if they saw pictures of DR in his wedding dress, but at least they would realize that
there are endless possibilites outside of their country.

Mar 4th 2013 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: (Quote) James-17080 said: Hi Marianne et alia,Rodman on...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:

Quote:
James-17080 said:



Hi Marianne et alia,

Rodman once got married in a wedding dress. And he has all of those godawful tatoos. And drug use. And judging from what I've read so far, Rodman doesn't have a clue about NK. They almost certainly gave him the guided tour, and I'll bet he thinks the whole country is wonderful.

It would take the Good Witch of the North to clean up Rodman.

James ☺




James, it isn't so much about Rodman and his sensitivities, as much it is about highlighting to the repressed
NK's about the rest of the world.

They may just about faint if they saw pictures of DR in his wedding dress, but at least they would realize that
there are endless possibilites outside of their country.

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Hi Marianne et alia,

Okay, point taken, but I doubt that anyone here wants Rodman as any sort of official representative to any given country, especially North Korea.

James ☺

Mar 4th 2013 new

I have along believed in the stages all civilizations go through and America is no different; I think we are at level 7:

“From bondage to spiritual faith”
“From Spiritual faith to great courage”
“From courage to liberty”
“From liberty to abundance”
“From abundance to complacency”
“From complacency to apathy”
“From apathy to dependence”
“From dependence back into bondage”
Alexander Fraser Tytler

Mar 4th 2013 new

The U.S. is at #123 on the list at 2.06 children per woman.


This link shows the U.S. fertility rate from 1960 - 2010: www.indexmundi.com



Japan is at #203 on the list at 1.39 children per woman. That data is current (from the CIA source) as of July 2012.

This link shows Japan's fertility rate from 1960 - 2010: www.indexmundi.com

I didn't find any data that indicated Japan was under 1.0, but they are not far away.


Incidentally, I did some further reading (from a different source) and found that the 2.1 children/woman figure is appropriate for much of the world, but 2.3 is more appropriate for less developed countries due to their generally higher mortality rate at an early age.



Ed

Mar 4th 2013 new

(Quote) James-17080 said: Hi Tom et alia,The Kim is dead. Long live the Kim. Ever look at a map of North...
(Quote) James-17080 said:




Hi Tom et alia,

The Kim is dead. Long live the Kim. Ever look at a map of North Korea at night? The place looks like a black hole in the middle of the Far East. But never mind, they're building missiles that pretty soon can reach America with nuclear warheads. And let's not forget North Korea's allegedly prosperous drug trade and alleged counterfeiting of $100 bills.

Hopefully, the newest Kim inbibed enough Western culture to not go completely crazy. Hopefully.

James ☺

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I hope you are right James. I am glad I live in the middle of the country, not on the left coast.





Mar 4th 2013 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: I think it is hard for Mainstream media to get facts right because there are so many l...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:



I think it is hard for Mainstream media to get facts right because there are so many lies planted. Plus, they try to jump
on the bandwagon if they see a competitor with a breaking news flash and just about copy what they are saying. Even
if it is wrong.

I guess that is how lies get pushed along in the MSM.

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Mainstream media doesn't want to get the facts straight. They have their own contrived ideal of society, then only present items which support that. It was interesting to find that most people in this country think that 33% of the people here are homosexual, when in fact it's less than 2%. That shows you how much exposure is given to this subject by the mainstream media.

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