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Mar 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Marissa-529206 said: Is this absolutely positive? I'm serious people. I want to know where I can look this up. I...
(Quote) Marissa-529206 said:

Is this absolutely positive? I'm serious people. I want to know where I can look this up. I mean because light or not. Any type of tank like that is not meant for general purposes. You don't need those in the U.S. Almost every single type of tank or tankette(yes, that is the slang) is meant to face at least small uprisings. Such as several hundred people or something. No one has made a tank for police work. Partly because police are meant to face civilians, not armies. This is a little worrying. That's why I'm skeptical.

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You're right, nobody makes tanks for police work. THESE ARE NOT TANKS!!!!!!

There are any number of scenarios where an armored personnel carrier can be used in police work. Look at the Christopher Dorner saga.

Mar 5th 2013 new

I must admit that I had the "tanks" (that Bernard mentioned) confused with the reported 2000+ spare M1 Abrams tanks that are currently in the Army inventory. See this article for details >>>> security.blogs.cnn.com


Incidentally, if you want to see a MASSIVE collection of military hardware, all in several massive "parking lots", check out the Sierra Army Depot near Herlong, CA (about 100 miles north of Reno, NV). Go to "Google Maps" or "Google Earth" and check out the satellite photos or the Google Earth 3D photo images. Type "sierra army depot" in the seach box and you will fly right to the site. The parking lots are just to east of the SE corner of "Honey Lake". Zoom in and just try to count all of the tanks, guns, and array of all other military hardware. There are literally thousands of pieces of heavy equipment! This is worth checking out. Certainly billions of taxpayer dollars assembled in those parking lots.


Ed

Mar 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: Tom, why can't anyone be that financially stupid? Face it, anyone with even a ...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

Tom, why can't anyone be that financially stupid?

Face it, anyone with even a modicum of financial knowledge and who was even vaguely aware of the disaster that communist Russia was would never choose a socialist economic model to follow. Yet All of Europe is married to a socialistic idea and is failing.

Obummer believes in it. Ergo he is an economic ignoramus.

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I just posted in the other thread how unnerving it is that what happened in Germany before World War 2 is correlating so closely with what is happening right here in the US now.....SCARY. I was watching a show on EWTN about Pope Benedict who grew up at that time in Germany. They discussed how it began with the SOCIALIST party growing! People don't even realize that this is what is going on. Then when the socialist won and war did start, one of the first to be drafted was the men going into the seminaries and they closed the seminaries after drafting them.

Mar 5th 2013 new

(Quote) ED-20630 said: If you want to see/hear something even more creepy.... Combine these rece...
(Quote) ED-20630 said:

If you want to see/hear something even more creepy....


Combine these recent purchases of tanks and ammunition with this excerpt from one of Obama's speeches when he was running for his first term. I don't have an exact date of the speech, but the "Change" poster on the podium is from his first campaign.

I transcribed this word-for-word from the video below: >>> In Obama's own words
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military, to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've gotta have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."


See www.youtube.com for the video.


I don't know about any of you, but this is very creepy and ominous to me. I suppose, at the time of the speech, this was probably seen as just one of those throw-away comments from a politician. Perhaps, in hindsight, Obama had much more in mind when he made that comment. I would like to know at whom he plans to point these tanks and guns.... And he the one that wants more gun control.


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WOW.....and ignorance is so bliss for so many people. It will be the death to all of us in the end.

Mar 5th 2013 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: Good grief, people! First of all, the author of that headline is either ignorant or dishone...
(Quote) John-336509 said:

Good grief, people!

First of all, the author of that headline is either ignorant or dishonest. Those aren't tanks. They aren't even remotely tanks. A real tank would eat those things for a snack. Heck, a WWII era tank would eat those things for light lunch.

Second of all, police departments of even a modest size often have an armored vehicle or two. Most of the ones I've seen are either light recon vehicles or security vehcicles that are decades old.

The fact that the author felt the need to try and sell a light armored vehicle as a tank speaks volumes for the credibility of the underlying conspiracy silliness.

I'm no fan of Obama, but you're going to have to to better than playing fast and loose with equipment descriptions to get me to believe he's planning some kind of take over.

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He didn't try to "sell" it as a tank. It's an armored troop carrier.

Tanks are cavalry vehicles, used in attacking enemy lines and forward attack. These are used in suppression and control of territory held in the lines, and carry infantry.

Civil wars, especially in the modern day, are heavy on the ground pounding and light on the armored attack.

Mar 5th 2013 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: You're right, nobody makes tanks for police work. THESE ARE NOT TANKS!!!!!! Th...
(Quote) John-336509 said:

You're right, nobody makes tanks for police work. THESE ARE NOT TANKS!!!!!!

There are any number of scenarios where an armored personnel carrier can be used in police work. Look at the Christopher Dorner saga.

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You are right! It's not a tank, it's an MRAP, which the article (at least the one I read) explained.

MRAP stands for Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicle. It is built by Navistar Defense, and is a MRAP that was first developed for urban combat in the Iraq War, and saw service in 2007.

The first MRAPs were developed by South Africa to defend soldiers against mines, and proliferated in the American arsenal during the Iraq War as a defense measure against Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs).

Mar 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Steven-706921 said: He didn't try to "sell" it as a tank. It's an armored troop carrier.<...
(Quote) Steven-706921 said:

He didn't try to "sell" it as a tank. It's an armored troop carrier.

Tanks are cavalry vehicles, used in attacking enemy lines and forward attack. These are used in suppression and control of territory held in the lines, and carry infantry.

Civil wars, especially in the modern day, are heavy on the ground pounding and light on the armored attack.

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He didn't try to sell it as a tank? Really? Allow me to repeat the headline for you:

Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile [emphasis added].

Your second sentance is largely wrong. Your third sentance is okay.

Mar 5th 2013 new

The Economy doesn't exist, it's 90% fairy floss and 10% rhetoric. So we remedy the problem buy acquiring more ammunition than was used in WW11 and we buy a whole lot of "LIGHT, NOT TANKS" and we train a bunch of "NOT SOLDIERS" to use against "NOT PEOPLE" sounds like a Militant Alice In Wonderland! Imagine running your own household in like manner. Hi honey I've bought a Howitzer instead of a mouse trap! By the way we all need to get a 2nd job to pay for it!. Bullets are designed to kill and intimidate. Mr Obama has been comforting shooting victim survivors and affected families. Shedding a tear or 2 whilst buying more ammunition and "LIGHT, NOT TANKS." Sabre rattling with indignation about the evils of guns. Guns can't walk, talk, launch attacks! They need a co-operative organism to complete their designed purpose, "People!" Your Constitution was originally framed to be a protector of the individuals rights. They framed it with knowledge of human weakness in regards to seeking power and then absolute power by absolute domination. Why buy so much potential kiling power when citizens are losing jobs, people are living in cardboard box mini cities, organised crime thrives and is getting bigger, abortion has killed enough babies that if stacked in one place sunlight would be blocked out, governments kill as a matter of policy. It makes such good sense kill them before they can claim social security. There is a "Kill Mentality" globally. Kill the unborn! Kill the elderly! Kill prisoners! Kill prisoners for transplant organ source! (not USA in case of knee jerk alarmist reaction.) Kill street kids! If you set a computer to calculate the loss of life with a causal factor of 'Killed by another human intentionally.' It would most probably lock up and freeze The solving of humanitarian problems now is jumping to the kill switch before anything else is even considered. Unless there is a natural resource of value to be had, then the price is too high for the amount of help received. I think there may have been an administration misunderstanding that might explain things. With the sub standard education system Mr.Obama doesn't see the difference between "Lead and Lead". They don't have such problems in Islamic systems both words are what goes into a gun! End of problem. Aghhh! the sweet sound of gunfire under a Crescent Moon! Pass me another bullet dear, somebody is trying to eat the lawn! duck pope tombstone stir the pot! Its getting cold!

Mar 6th 2013 new

(Quote) Con-888377 said: The Economy doesn't exist, it's 90% fairy floss and 10% rhetoric. So we remedy the problem ...
(Quote) Con-888377 said:

The Economy doesn't exist, it's 90% fairy floss and 10% rhetoric. So we remedy the problem buy acquiring more ammunition than was used in WW11 and we buy a whole lot of "LIGHT, NOT TANKS" and we train a bunch of "NOT SOLDIERS" to use against "NOT PEOPLE" sounds like a Militant Alice In Wonderland! Imagine running your own household in like manner. Hi honey I've bought a Howitzer instead of a mouse trap! By the way we all need to get a 2nd job to pay for it!. Bullets are designed to kill and intimidate. Mr Obama has been comforting shooting victim survivors and affected families. Shedding a tear or 2 whilst buying more ammunition and "LIGHT, NOT TANKS." Sabre rattling with indignation about the evils of guns. Guns can't walk, talk, launch attacks! They need a co-operative organism to complete their designed purpose, "People!" Your Constitution was originally framed to be a protector of the individuals rights. They framed it with knowledge of human weakness in regards to seeking power and then absolute power by absolute domination. Why buy so much potential kiling power when citizens are losing jobs, people are living in cardboard box mini cities, organised crime thrives and is getting bigger, abortion has killed enough babies that if stacked in one place sunlight would be blocked out, governments kill as a matter of policy. It makes such good sense kill them before they can claim social security. There is a "Kill Mentality" globally. Kill the unborn! Kill the elderly! Kill prisoners! Kill prisoners for transplant organ source! (not USA in case of knee jerk alarmist reaction.) Kill street kids! If you set a computer to calculate the loss of life with a causal factor of 'Killed by another human intentionally.' It would most probably lock up and freeze The solving of humanitarian problems now is jumping to the kill switch before anything else is even considered. Unless there is a natural resource of value to be had, then the price is too high for the amount of help received. I think there may have been an administration misunderstanding that might explain things. With the sub standard education system Mr.Obama doesn't see the difference between "Lead and Lead". They don't have such problems in Islamic systems both words are what goes into a gun! End of problem. Aghhh! the sweet sound of gunfire under a Crescent Moon! Pass me another bullet dear, somebody is trying to eat the lawn!

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Do you actually have a point?

Mar 6th 2013 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: (Quote) Con-888377 said: Strategy: Tanks not required, Roads suitable for r...
(Quote) John-336509 said:

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Strategy: Tanks not required, Roads suitable for rapid deployment, Light armoured vehicles best option for quick deployment and ease of manouverablity, Closure of highways and obstruction of escape routes easily attainable goals, Initiate media campaign for disarmament of citizens. If this is achieved likely house to house fighting minimised. Organised religion equals free thinking and a stimulant for moral opposition to planned popuiation control. Old saying "Create the need and the people will buy what you are selling!"

Once upon a time there was a short bandy legged, hate filled, ranting rat bag, who couldn't even shave properly. Who with persistence blamed one section of society for all the countries problems. This same said diminutive reject from mainstream society gathered like minded and jaded personalties into his exclusive club for badly dressed dictators. This deranged little gargoyle had a serious defect which gave him gigantic thighs, which was a constant reminder to him that he was different and contributed to his bad self image. So our historical misfit found an ally in a chicken farmer who regularly led campaigns against rioting and dissenting chickens in his coup. After subjegating and reassimulating his wayward fowls it was time to move on to greater things!! These two misfits burned the midnight oil to make themselves appear normal to an unsuspecting society whilst gathering more moral bankrupt psychopaths to rally to the cause. So a uniform to bolster internal comradship was designed by Chicken Little and the badly shaven Hating Ranter. So to make our little ranter look normal all had to wear silly pants with room for thunder thighs! Now the ranting little bleeder looked normal! As everyone now looked stupid! Next on the agenda was to surround oneself with Catholics who were only on the surface rightious moral pillars of society, free thinkers whom were progressive enough to know when to be liberal in thinking when the times called for such a response. After all it was the 20th Century and science has replaced the need for a God! God could now retire and play golf with all the deceased priests and progressives of the past! We will call you if we need you! Here is your Gold Watch God! We have removed the hands and set the time zone to Eternity! Bon Voyage!! Next step, find a section of society that doesn't quite fit in with the New Wave Progressives! Start a campaign of villification, blame most of the societies problems on this group of malcontents! Start a smear and inuendo campaign.Next step reduce this groups rights to free speech and religious expression. Create the them against us syndrome. Stage rallies and infilltrate and cause disturbance at opposition rallies to demonize them, thus making it easier to remove their influence on society. In the background of these propaganda chess moves, create and arm a tactical, swift moving, peoples army and by stealth purchase arms and ammunition and light armoured vehicles, plus transport vehicles to move swiftly into action when sufficiently strong enough to subdue dissent. By this time the organised and directed hate against the moral villified minority won't find resistance to the arrest and transportation to holding areas of this treacherous, traiterous, problematic group. Disarmament of the general population is a priority to avoid bad publicity and world attention. Let us be seen as Humaniterians and Environmentalists so when it becomes necessary to execute the renegade subversives we can sprinkle their remains on our food crops and gardens and finally these subversives will be working for the Country that gave these sewer rats Truth! Justice and Curds and Whey! Nah!!! Couldn't happen!! After all it's the 21st Century after all! We are too sophisticated to go down that path aren't we??? What's on telly???


Strategy: Find a some pictures and lie about what's in them. Make a bunch of general statements and vague innuendo. Once you have the attention of the people who are naturally distrustfull or hate some person or organization, use that distrust and hatred to fan the flames of fear. Make lots and lots of accusations that are backed by true but meaningless facts. If the facts aren't covenient, exaggerate or even lie. Say that any holes in your argument are because "they" have silenced the truth. Whatever you do, don't ever get too specific- at that point you run the risk of somebody actually proving you wrong. Just keep in vague and general...

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