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Mar 6th 2013 new

Homeland Security Drones Designed to Identify Civilians Carrying Guns

Recently uncovered government documents reveal that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) unmanned Predator B drone fleet has been customize designed to identify civilians carrying guns and track cell phone signals.


www.breitbart.com

Mar 6th 2013 new

(Quote) Tom-54311 said: Lets see....millions of bullets, thousands of armored tanks, and now in-country drones! ...
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Lets see....millions of bullets, thousands of armored tanks, and now in-country drones! Where do we hide?

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According to a friend in texas, drones are an opportunity to brush up on their skeet shooting skills.

Mar 6th 2013 new

(Quote) Peter-449116 said: According to a friend in texas, drones are an opportunity to brush up on their skeet shooting ski...
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According to a friend in texas, drones are an opportunity to brush up on their skeet shooting skills.

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Inspite of one of my previous topics, I love those Texans. They are good skeet shooters too!!

Mar 6th 2013 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: As to your question about who care whether they are tanks or not, you are missing the poi...
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As to your question about who care whether they are tanks or not, you are missing the point. The question is why do conspiracy theory types feel the compulsion to constantly disregard reality? But perhaps you really aren't missing the point, maybe you're demonstrating it. To the conspiracy theory type, the truth doesn't actually matter: all that is important is the accusation. "They," be it the government, or the Illuminati or the Jews, or whoever must be up to something. Everything has a secret, sinister purpose. All events must be given an evil spin.

Don't you think it's more than a little ironic that when Obama or whoever gets caught in any misstatement of fact, it's proof that he is part of a lying conspiracy of evil, but when the conspiracy theory people get caught in a misstatement of fact the response is "who cares? Even if we're lying we're still telling the truth about the evil government."

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No, everything does not have a secret, sinister purpose. We normal people are just asking why. Why does the fed gov need these things and so many of them, at this time.

Mar 6th 2013 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: So was Christopher Dorner a "food rioter?" What noble cause was he a valiant ma...
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So was Christopher Dorner a "food rioter?" What noble cause was he a valiant martyr for? Or is your hatred of government so intense and burning that the fact that he was out killing cops prima facie evidence that he must have been doing God's work?

Are all employees of the government, even local government, devils incarnate who deserve to die? If not, then perhaps Dorner demonstrates a legitimate need for protection against small-arms fire.

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You are going over the edge. Take it easy.

Mar 6th 2013 new

I am definitely not someone who goes overboard with "conspiracy" theories and secrets. But anyone who has an education in world politics(not necessarily formal) knows how easy it is for people to take over. Hitler was voted in by popular vote into Austria. The Soviet Union was for years communist by popular vote. England ran itself bankrupt by popular vote. What is unusual about this is that the govermnet barely has the funds to keep the military overseas properly armed. I'm in favor of bringing back a few carriers because they simply are not armed well enough to be out over where China is. China's military is now better than ours and we keep our military way out there despite the danger because we don't have the funds....yet all of a sudden they are buying these armored transports for police work. How often are they needed in police work? I had an opinion back in 2008 that Barack Obama was naive. That's an odd opinion for a girl in her 20's to have about a president. Recently though I have had to beg the question....Is he THAT ignorant of the dangers of making a central gov't too strong? Or is he doing it on purpose? Even if he moves out, our federal gov't is a hop, skip, jump away from being easily taken over by a person whose purposes are not honourable. Our republic has been seriously weakened. I can't even imagine how hard it would be to restore it. Since we've never faced something like it in history.

Mar 6th 2013 new

(Quote) John-336509 said: My objection is that you are taking a bunch of facts in isolation and turning them into s...
(Quote) John-336509 said:

My objection is that you are taking a bunch of facts in isolation and turning them into some wacky conspiracy theory without the slightest shred of actual connection.

At any given moment in human history, there have always been any number of bad things going on, and and even greater number of innocuous things going on. Not everything that happened in the past is a massive conspiracy, and there is no reason to believe things are any different today. I'm sure in the late 18th century some Indian shot at a Frenchman in North America. That doesn't meant the Indians were part of some conspiracy for or against the French Revolution.

The military stores old hardware in the desert. So what? It's been doing that since before I was born. When a tank or plane is replaced by a newer one, does it makes sense to immediately destroy the old ones, or go park it someplace? It takes a lot more time an effort to build tanks and planes today than it did in WWI or WWII. If a major war were to break out, the need for replacement equipment would quickly outstrip our ability to build it. Why wouldn't you want to field an older model rather than nothing at all?

There are bad "Catholic" theologians running around. So what? They've been doing that for longer than the U.S. has existed as a nation. How does that prove that Obama or any other politician is planning something evil?

There are leftists doing what leftists do. So what? How is that any different than 1848 when Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto?

The military is transferring surplus hardware to other agencies. So what? They've been doing that for longer than I've been alive. Is it really a waste of taxpayer money to keep items that have been bought in paid for in the government inventory, or would it make more sense to just throw them away?

You've got a bunch of facts in isolation, none of which is particularly unexplainable or even all that ominus. If you want to build a coherent argument that somebody is up to something, you need to string them together with something other than an assumption that there is a conspiracy.

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Prime Minister Chamberlin of England also had a similar mind to yours. What a mistake that turned out to be. The things I listed are real and not mythical farce, A maybe indian and a maybe French soldier, all your examples have an element of disingenuos arrogant farce. I did not say there were Theologians running around, you need to look into what these theologians in teaching positions are infecting our students and seminarians minds with. There has not been such a flagrant departure from Infallibly defined dogma that is unchangeable even by another Pope. Do you even care about the Church??? "Seen it all before, who cares? So what! " Interesting statement about Karl Marx, maybe someone should of cared about what that evil looney had to say! Also how did the Orthodox, Catholics and Jews fair out of his evil rantings once the regime of Marx/Lenin did their Lefty thing?? By the way the "coherant string" you refered to in your case has snapped, your rant into fantasy is a classic example of what you accuse me of! When somebody is being deceptive and is avoiding scrutiny you are not likely going to find perfectly connected evidence. The Light Armoured vehicles and bullet bargain is new money spent with all the surplus equipment parked here and there why waste money when you have a deficit that would fit nicely into a black hole. You maybe have a career in farming wheat as your favorite saying seems to be "So What!" Corn would be good! cloudnine

Mar 6th 2013 new

I don't know about taking facts out of context. But if someone is planning to take over America....now is the prime time to do it. There are some minor adjustments needed. But in Pareto's Law 80% of the wealth is owned by 20% of the population. In America, it belongs to the capitalists. In a socialist/communist/or fascist country, it belongs to the gov't. Why? Because if people do not have businesses or money, then everyone is at the mercy of the gov't. One thing that was interesting about Hitler was that he taxed families heavily for not doing what he wanted. He knew they had to feed their families. Catholics faced taxes that they couldn't afford. He encouraged every type of excess, because he knew once he got people addicted to having everything they want, they would be scared of losing it. This was very much planned. People scoffed when they Catholic church said that it wasn't healthy for Hitler to just give people what they wanted. Who doesn't want free healthcare? Who doesn't want garuanteed jobs by the state? Who doesn't want a free car? At first it was okay, then Catholics were punished for having Jews attend their schools. They were charged a tax for not allowing their kids to join Hitler Youth. The kids loved it. Why? It was all day long on Sunday. They played games. They learned songs. They learned about "Science" the science of Hitlers form of "genetics". But if they belonged to Hitler Youth, they couldn't go to church. No one could do anything, because the state had so much power. And the person who controlled the state wasn't about to let anyone else have power. The same thing is happening in France with President Hollande and his omnipotent Secular Observatory. No crucifixes may be worn in public. No headdresses for Jewish women or Muslim. If you belong to an "extrimist" religion. Which include traditional Catholics you may unfortunately have to be "re-educated"...he never defined what that means. So no, I don't trust government. I would never put my trust in any government on earth. And I'm pretty sure God never intended us to "trust" the government. That's why the penny says "Trust in God"....not "Trust in America"

Mar 6th 2013 new

Rand Paul filibuster against CIA nominee gains strength in Senate


“No American should be killed by a drone on American soil without first being found guilty of a crime,” Paul said. “That an American could be killed on American soil is an abomination.”

thehill.com

Mar 6th 2013 new

(Quote) Shara-929649 said: (Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: I just posted in the other thread how unnervin...
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I just posted in the other thread how unnerving it is that what happened in Germany before World War 2 is correlating so closely with what is happening right here in the US now.....SCARY. I was watching a show on EWTN about Pope Benedict who grew up at that time in Germany. They discussed how it began with the SOCIALIST party growing! People don't even realize that this is what is going on. Then when the socialist won and war did start, one of the first to be drafted was the men going into the seminaries and they closed the seminaries after drafting them.


That is why they need to distract the masses with the celebrity culture, the minimum wage raises , the supposed free and equal healthcare , the president's wife's extravagant lifestyle and wardrobe and most of all with the plight of the gays. How else are they going to pass their agenda unnoticed and or keep the masses uneducated? People need ot wake up and take note and Catholics need to learn to support and love each other. That is the only thing that is going to help us survive this and be able to pass the faith on to the coming generations. We do not need to beat them we just need to make sure that the beauty and the purity of our Church survives.

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Don't forget about her extravagant trips every other week at tax payers expense. eyepopping

Anyway, that is what I'm worried about..that we won't survive with the attacks on us now increasing with the increase in liberalism. Did you know the majority of people working in the school systems are liberals....and they are the ones instructing the kids! I know the Bible teaches us though that God's Church will prevail, but if you look around you and see the constant attacks on anyone Christian, we wonder "in what capacity". Did you read about the story that I wrote about the college where some of the students were trying to get rid of Chik-fil-let on their campus? They said it's "right" conservative values made them feel unsafe!!! What???? Liberals kill babies, etc., but Christians who don't believe in Gay marriage make them feel unsafe??? It is sick and not only an attack on religious freedom but on freedom of speech. The good news is that 85% of the student body voted to keep them. Still 15 percent so antagonistic against Christians is sitll scary high. I wonder if it is indicative of the larger population. If so, then the other 85% of us better start getting more involved because that 15% kicks up more dust. Look at N.Y., Bloomberg ran as an independent....are you kidding me....the man is so liberal they can't buy a large soda there anymore because he thinks he has the right to tell them they can't??? I still can't figure out how he could pass law like that??? Isn't that legislatures job. I'd like to see him get rid of people's cigarrettes that isn't ever done in moderation and hurts not only the people themselves but everyone around them....but I guarantee you he won't.

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