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This room is for discussion for anyone who adheres to the Extraordinary form of the mass and any issues related to the practices of Eastern Rite Catholicism.

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Mar 8th 2013 new

Totally agree. But I do think part of the global mission IS about 'saving' the Church in various regions - North America and Middle East in particular. That said, I just don't think an American could likely do that.

Mar 8th 2013 new

Totally agree. But I do think part of the global mission IS about 'saving' the Church in various regions - North America and Middle East in particular. That said, I just don't think an American could likely do that.

Mar 9th 2013 new

(Quote) Theodoric-68091 said: But whom? Cadinal Sandri? His parents are Italian. I think he'd attract no less backlash. ...
(Quote) Theodoric-68091 said:

But whom? Cadinal Sandri? His parents are Italian. I think he'd attract no less backlash. I can see all kinds of references to "The Mission" flooding the papers :P

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I wonder if Cardinal Tagle wouldn't be a good choice to lead the church? He seems like a wonderful evangelist while keeping a high degree of humility about him. Cardinal Turkson might also be a fairly well rounded choice. I haven't had time to thoroughly research all the possibilities but then, I guess it is hardly up to me anyway. Personally, Cardinal Sandri just doesn't jump off the page (so to speak) as someone who holds all the qualities we need to lead our church forward.

For once I can correctly say, God only knows who is meant to be the next Pope and if who is meant to be, will in fact be selected to be our new Pontiff or if human willfulness will push aside God's will for His people? If that should happen, I am fearful of where the path will lead us as a church.

Mar 9th 2013 new

I'm a little confused as to why people speculate on who the next Pope will be. There are any number of things we don't know, such as Pope Benedict's instructions for electing his predecessor, as well as what the Holy Spirit has already planned. Only time will tell...

Mar 9th 2013 new

(Quote) Hannah-708610 said: I'm a little confused as to why people speculate on who the next Pope will be. There are any...
(Quote) Hannah-708610 said:

I'm a little confused as to why people speculate on who the next Pope will be. There are any number of things we don't know, such as Pope Benedict's instructions for electing his predecessor, as well as what the Holy Spirit has already planned. Only time will tell...

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Precisely!

It is one way Satan chips away at our humility and keeps us from doing the two things that will help: prayer and mortification.

Mar 9th 2013 new

(Quote) Naomi-698107 said: Don't take this the wrong way, but I sincerely hope not. An American Pope could possibly isol...
(Quote) Naomi-698107 said:

Don't take this the wrong way, but I sincerely hope not. An American Pope could possibly isolate a lot of developing nations, and probably wouldn't do much to damper down hostile feelings in Middle Eastern nations - especially the extreme versions of Islam.

America is too powerful a nation, it'd be intimadating to have a Pope from such a superpower.

And saving the Church in the West? If they can't bolster numbers in their own countries, how can an American elected Pope do much more as Pope? Its not really about "saving" the Church in any particular geographical location, its about a global missionary. America isn't the be all and end all of Catholicism, and it certainly doesn't have the largest population of Catholics, nor does Europe for that matter, not any more, and certainly not practicing.

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There is one American that would acceptable as Pope, and would not kowtow to Washington D.C.

Cardinal Burke, the head of the Apostolic Signatura. Why not Burke? en.gloria.tv

Mar 9th 2013 new

(Quote) Naomi-698107 said: Don't take this the wrong way, but I sincerely hope not. An American Pope could possibly isol...
(Quote) Naomi-698107 said:

Don't take this the wrong way, but I sincerely hope not. An American Pope could possibly isolate a lot of developing nations, and probably wouldn't do much to damper down hostile feelings in Middle Eastern nations - especially the extreme versions of Islam.

America is too powerful a nation, it'd be intimadating to have a Pope from such a superpower.

And saving the Church in the West? If they can't bolster numbers in their own countries, how can an American elected Pope do much more as Pope? Its not really about "saving" the Church in any particular geographical location, its about a global missionary. America isn't the be all and end all of Catholicism, and it certainly doesn't have the largest population of Catholics, nor does Europe for that matter, not any more, and certainly not practicing.

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I think that you are 100% right in your view

Mar 9th 2013 new

(Quote) Hannah-708610 said: I'm a little confused as to why people speculate on who the next Pope will be. There are any...
(Quote) Hannah-708610 said:

I'm a little confused as to why people speculate on who the next Pope will be. There are any number of things we don't know, such as Pope Benedict's instructions for electing his predecessor, as well as what the Holy Spirit has already planned. Only time will tell...

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It would be improper for BXVI to provide any instructions for electing his successor other than procedures to be followed. Which he did do, by the way, by clarifying the rules dealing with the timing of the beginning of the Conclave.

The rules, as they existed, before he made the change required that a conclave could not start until at least 15 days had passed after the death of a Pope. No Rules existed concerning the resignation of a Pope. So he amended the rules to specifically take care of the matter.

Under the old rules, the earliest that a conclave could have started was March 15th. As we now know, for whatever reason, the Cardinals diddled around for the better part of a week and finally set the start date for March 12.

The only influence he has on the election is those he raised to the red hat and his legacy. By that I mean, whatever he did that the Cardinals feel should or should not be continued.

What the Cardinals see as needed in a candidate to move the Church along at this time will be one of their main considerations.

Mar 9th 2013 new

(Quote) Steven-706921 said: There is one American that would acceptable as Pope, and would not kowtow to Washington...
(Quote) Steven-706921 said:

There is one American that would acceptable as Pope, and would not kowtow to Washington D.C.

Cardinal Burke, the head of the Apostolic Signatura. Why not Burke? en.gloria.tv

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Why not, indeed?

The problem is that he is an American which reduces his chances as it does all Americans. Never forget, the Cardinals are a product of the society in which they live. Their training and advancement in Holiness may go a long way to modify that. But in the end, most socities (nations) in the world today, from which these Cardinals come, are anti-American and socialistically bent.

From the leading African Papali who is strongly socialistic, to the majority of Cardinals who are from Europe who are all socialistically bent, you have an anti-American mind set. That despite the fact that several Popes in the past have at least mildly condemned socialism. But note, socialism in Europe is cloaked with a patina of "social justice" so they don't believe they are socialists at all.

Mar 9th 2013 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: It would be improper for BXVI to provide any instructions for electing his successor othe...
(Quote) Paul-866591 said:

It would be improper for BXVI to provide any instructions for electing his successor other than procedures to be followed. Which he did do, by the way, by clarifying the rules dealing with the timing of the beginning of the Conclave.

The rules, as they existed, before he made the change required that a conclave could not start until at least 15 days had passed after the death of a Pope. No Rules existed concerning the resignation of a Pope. So he amended the rules to specifically take care of the matter.

Under the old rules, the earliest that a conclave could have started was March 15th. As we now know, for whatever reason, the Cardinals diddled around for the better part of a week and finally set the start date for March 12.

The only influence he has on the election is those he raised to the red hat and his legacy. By that I mean, whatever he did that the Cardinals feel should or should not be continued.

What the Cardinals see as needed in a candidate to move the Church along at this time will be one of their main considerations.

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Oh, I was confused about the instructions. Thanks for the clarification. :) I guess my larger point was: the Holy Spirit has final say and we won't know until we know. :)

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