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Mar 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Patrick-624504 said: (Quote) Paul-866591 said: The US Constitution does not allow na...
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The US Constitution does not allow national referendums.

It might be possible for the electorate to somehow legally force a Constitutional Convention. If we did, we would probably end up with something far worse than we have now, sort of like most supposed democratic republics.


How then are Amendments made? Arent they a form of referenda?

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www.usconstitution.net

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Mar 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Patrick-341178 said: You do not have freedom of speech in Canada. A layperson saying homosexuality i...
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You do not have freedom of speech in Canada. A layperson saying homosexuality is sinful and disordered could be prosecuted. It probably wouldn't happen - but it could. Canada is an overwhelming secular nation that doesn't value of marriage. For the minority of those of you that do, I suggest migrating south.

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Patrick, you are entitled to your opinion. That doesn't change the reality of the country that I live and work in. There are practicising Jews, Muslims, Catholics and Christians of other denominations who attend religious services in houses of worship, including Churches. The Canadian Constitution protects those rights.

If moving south means moving to those parts of California where the pornography industry has been flourishing for decades now, then no thanks.

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Mar 17th 2013 new

For those who would suggest that there is no evidence suggesting that homosexuality is a mental illness, here is some background on the pressure that was put on American Psychiatry Association members going back to 1970, before the decision was made in 1973 to remove this disorder from their list of mental illnesses:

conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com



Thankfully, we can refer to Holy Mother Church for the final word on the subject, who teaches us that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.


From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2357 Homosexualityrefers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction
toward persons of the same sex.
It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures.
Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are
contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective
and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they beapproved.


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Mar 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Paul-866591 said: Although the majority of the justices on the court profess to be Roman Catholic, I don...
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Although the majority of the justices on the court profess to be Roman Catholic, I don't have very high expectations about the outcome. Justice Roberts will probably again pull an Obummer Care like reasoning to uphold this sick idea.

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Roberts I think had good reasoning that Obama Care is a tax; he was being truthful. I am with the majority of people that Obama Care is socialism and in some ways immoral and in no way should be allowed in our country.

Homosexuals getting married is another issue. I think that they are intelligent enough to discern truth from false whether they believe in God or not. Homosexuals getting married does not grant them the American dream for their pursuit of happiness...I suspect that the homosexuals that got married will eventually realize the lie that they are living when they know that they can't be happy living that sinful life. God made rules because he is a loving God...not to make people unhappyClover

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Mar 17th 2013 new

(Quote) William-607613 said: For those who would suggest that there is no evidence suggesting that homosexuality is a mental...
(Quote) William-607613 said:

For those who would suggest that there is no evidence suggesting that homosexuality is a mental illness, here is some background on the pressure that was put on American Psychiatry Association members going back to 1970, before the decision was made in 1973 to remove this disorder from their list of mental illnesses:

conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com



Thankfully, we can refer to Holy Mother Church for the final word on the subject, who teaches us that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.


From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2357 Homosexualityrefers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction
toward persons of the same sex.
It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures.
Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are
contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective
and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they beapproved.

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When I was in medical school (1995-1999) at Northwestern University Medical School, we were taught that in DSM-3 (I believe), homosexuality was a psychiatric illness. They also discussed the possibility of it being partially a genetic illness (which as far as I know has not been confirmed). They also discussed the influence of environmental/behavioral influences (ie., upbringing, family, school, culture, society) and felt that this contributed substantially to the "condition" of homosexuality.

I believe that it is both a psychological and spiritual illness, although I have seen many cases where I wouldn't even call it an illness as it appears to be a CHOICE.I don't think that it is genetic, other than in the rare genetic illnesses I was taught about in medical school in which a baby is born with ambiguous genitalia and a choice has to be made as to which sex/gender the baby will be or where a baby is born with both male and female genitalia and again a choice has to be made and appropriate surgeries performed. These are very rare conditions!

There is a large gay community in Chicago on the north side about 3 blocks from where my condo is. It is "cool" to be gay. There is a not very subtle pressure to be gay, to act gay, to talk gay, to dress gay. If you are non-gay and walking down the streets in their neighborhood, you will be ignored or basically be invisible to them. This gay population is 95% male I believe as I rarely see lesbians and have never experienced the things I am talking about here in relation to the lesbians. In fact, honestly, I can't for the life of me pick out a lesbian on the street or in a restaurant, but I can certainly pick out a gay man by his style of dress, how he talks, what he talks about, his gestures, etc. And, I have met men who have clearly made this choice as they were previously married, have children, or are/were bisexual and have CHOSEN to be gay. It's the old nature (genetics/illness) vs. nurture (environment, family, society) argument. I honestly don't think 99% of gay men were born gay - I think they either became gay due to other issues/problems/influences in their life and upbringing or they CHOSE to become gay.

I know what I am saying is politically incorrect, but that doesn't matter because it is the truth as far as I can ascertain at this point in time. And, I still do get and read medical journals and go to CME's (continuing medical education) lectures/seminars (although they won't touch this subject with a 10 foot pole at this time in our culture/society). I intend no disrespect to any gay person and, in fact, have gay aquaintances (who I'm hoping are living a chaste life.) But, this is the best knowlege I have as a physician who is retired, but still attempting to stay up-to-date in terms of new developments in medical knowlege.

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Mar 17th 2013 new
I am not sure of other state laws. But don't come to Colorado. You can have a civil union and the smoke pot at the reception. Wish Jesus would come back soon!
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Mar 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Patrick-624504 said: Correct. They are governed by the legal maxium that one has to be mindful of the effec...
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Correct. They are governed by the legal maxium that one has to be mindful of the effects of your speach (Shorthanded, as the legalese will bore you, it did me) so any speach which may leed to social discord or public disorder is usually governed. That said you can say anything about anyone if it is true. Truth is an absolute defense. Hense our political satire and our tabloids are much freer with their expressions about people, events, and situations. Swings and round abouts. The courts and the Prosecutor would also take into account Public Interest. That is is it in the Public Interest to take this case on? If not they wont due to cost.

Another person banned for hate speech, at least in NZ, was the Holocaust Denier David Irving who was made persona non gratia and refused a visa to enter

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But that is the problem with Canada's hate speech laws. Truth is not a defence because the "court" that "tries these cases defines whatever they wish as truth. Hence you cannot publicly speak out and say that homsexuality is cointrary to natural law, because offically Canada says there is nothing wrong with homsexuality, and natural law does not exist. You can say nasty things about Chritians but not Muslims. You can say derogatory things about heterosexual couples but not about homsexual couples.

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Mar 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Patrick-624504 said: How then are Amendments made? Arent they a form of referenda?
(Quote) Patrick-624504 said:

How then are Amendments made? Arent they a form of referenda?

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Under the US Constitution there are only two methods toAmend it.

1) Two- thirds of both houses of Congress may propose Amendments which are then submitted to the States whose legislatures must approve the amendment requiring a three fourths the state legislatures to approve.

or:

2) two thirds of the states by vote of their individual legislatures can all for a Constitutional Convention to propose amendments. Any proposal coming out of that Convention must be approved as in 1)

The Congress may insitiate either 1) or 2)

Individual voters have no direct vote on the matter. They can only do so indirectly via their election of representatives to the Congress or their state legislatures. Or via public opinion not votes.

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Mar 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Anthony-761559 said: I am not sure of other state laws. But don't come to Colorado. You can have a civil union and the ...
(Quote) Anthony-761559 said: I am not sure of other state laws. But don't come to Colorado. You can have a civil union and the smoke pot at the reception. Wish Jesus would come back soon!
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Me too, Anthony. I wish he would come soon, before it gets worse and more souls are lost.

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Mar 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Ronald-937125 said: Roberts I think had good reasoning that Obama Care is a tax; he was being truthful. I am...
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Roberts I think had good reasoning that Obama Care is a tax; he was being truthful. I am with the majority of people that Obama Care is socialism and in some ways immoral and in no way should be allowed in our country.

Homosexuals getting married is another issue. I think that they are intelligent enough to discern truth from false whether they believe in God or not. Homosexuals getting married does not grant them the American dream for their pursuit of happiness...I suspect that the homosexuals that got married will eventually realize the lie that they are living when they know that they can't be happy living that sinful life. God made rules because he is a loving God...not to make people unhappy

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But Roberts also ignored the fact that prior to the Court case and while the votes on Obama care were pending in Congress, the Administration kept insisting that the act contained no taxes. Before the Court, the Administration then changed its position and insisted the "fines" were taxes.

I agree that part of Robert's reasoning was sound when he said that it was not the Court's job to protect people from their own foolishness by voting for these yahoos who ginned up and passed a law that, "... should pass the law so we can find out what is in it." as proclaimed by that other sterling example of an uneducated Catholic, Nancy Pelosi, at the time, the self proclaimed and uncrowned queen of the US.

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