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Would you have said judge not regarding Pope Alexander VI? en.wikipedia.org
Patrica, Jesus is referring to judging someone's soul and not legitimitely raising questions about a person's character and actions. I love it when mostly liberals ignorantly invoke this verse to arrogantly shutdown debate.
The "progressives" started this divisiveness during and immediately after Vatican II when they thought they were founding a new religion. St. Paul said to hold fast to tradition 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and that anyone who teaches another gospel is subject to anathema Galatians 1:8.
I withhold judgment about Pope Francis until I see him in action, but I don't see much to be optimistic about.
If he is another John Paul II the Church in the West is 100 percent finished. JP2 was a terrible administrator who failed to discipline erring bishops and clergy. He covered for the sex abuse scandals. We need a St. Pius X not a John Paul II.
" The "progressives" started this divisiveness during and immediately after Vatican II when they thought they were founding a new religion. St. Paul said to hold fast to tradition 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and that anyone who teaches another gospel is subject to anathema Galatians 1:8."
Are you sure you are Catholic? This sounds like one of my Fundamentalist friends. Strict word of the bible. Actually Christ gave Peter and his successors authority to guide His church on earth with the help of the Holy Spirit. If the church didn't "progress" we would still be in the catacombs! My mother is 95 and since I am 62 obviously we both grew up in the church pre Vatican ll. We both prefer the way the church is now. Vatican ll brought back many of the wonderful traditions and rituals the church had lost over time. The triduum being an example. The liturgy now is the same in all languages...we are connected. I think many people that are opposed to the changes never took time to understand them or learn about them and their meaning. The church is much more inclusive now. I don't remember Christ sitting at the Last Supper and putting a rail between Him and His followers, then turning His back to them. He wanted us to be WITH Him not apart. Have you ever considered it was MAN and his ego that put priests way up on a pedestal? I am not opposed to the Latin Mass. It is part of my spiritual growth. However there are many ways to grow spiritually and I feel blessed that we have a church that is willing to allow us to follow different ways to grow to God. I believe in the Seat of Peter and the Infallibility of the Pope, not just the ones I choose to believe but ALL of them. Yes, Satan can work on them, but God redeems and makes right His Church. Remember that Christ was a rebel in His own time. He wasn't inflexible. Remember the only people that really got Him upset were the Sadducees and the Pharisees because of their self-rightous indignation about change. They didn't accept Him as the Son, they murdered Him.
During these sex abuse scandals I have done some research because it has touched my life personally in some ways. Did you know there were as many, if not more, sex abuse scandals pre Vatican ll. People were literally afraid of priests because they were untouchable, they were able to get away with bad behavior because no one had the guts to speak out against a priest. Now the walls are coming down and that would never have happened if NOT for Vatican ll, in my opinion.