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Mar 24th 2013 new

Obama rose to power in a fascist-style manner complete with mobs of adoring youth and vague utopian slogans.



(Quote) Bernie-350671 said: Actually, what is scary is that on several occasions, Obama has manipulated crowds into ...
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Actually, what is scary is that on several occasions, Obama has manipulated crowds into calling for him to become a dictator and no one has called him on this.

For those who doubt me, you've seen it, where he tells supporters that he isn't a dictator, he can't just do things and the crowds actually egg him on. Because no one ever called him on this is the reason why he is now doing things that are not supposed to be done without Congresses' permission. The sequester has just given him cover to do more of them and to smoke screen his actions.

I am reminded that after the Israelites left Egypt they actually had a Democracy. God was the leader and every person was given the freedom to do as they pleased. The 10 Commandments were their constitution and laws. Still they called for a King.

Obama has screwed things up bad, but through the help of the press not reporting it and examining his actions, he has managed to escape being held responsible. He always blames someone else. This is exactly how Mussolini and Hitler became dictators. The mess they created got bad enough that their nations was willing to accept bondage in order to clean it up. Of course, we all know what happened.

Just to bring history forward. The Progressive movement of the lat 19th and early 20th Centuries was very dictatorial. Their ideas was to force change upon society for its own good. Eugenics was birthed in this movement. Nazis and to and extent the Japanese adopted the notion that their nations were superior and in order to progress they needed to purify it even more.

Rev. Wright's church preached a form of Liberation Theology called, Black Liberation Theology. The core belief is that blacks are superior to whites and that whites are an inferior race. This of course is a turning inside out of the Progressive movement, which had believed the opposite. The Progressives are not doctrinaire, but rather are dictatorial. They will adopt any belief so long as they get to control things.

At the real heart of the present movement is that they need to make things right, correct so called injustices and such. What they are really saying is that they want to get even for a wrong or perceived wrong committed against them and to do so by harming the people or the people they believe committed this transgression. This vengeance is really based on envy and greed. This brings us to the basis for Progressive Liberalism, is envy and greed.

It isn't greedy to want to earn more and to keep what you've earned. After all, either God gave you that money or it is the fruits of the gifts God gave you. It is greed when someone says that another person earns enough or too much and that government needs to make things equal and take or tax those earnings from them. Liberalism is the breaking of the 10th Commandment, "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's property." In a free society, my money IS my property.

Progressive Liberals sow sloth in the minds of people with the notion that they are entitled to something. This then becomes the empitusto tax, as in the US, or take, as in Europe, people's property, their money, from them. Since they are not entitled to that money and must conspire with government to take it from us, they are breaking the 6th Commandment, "Thou shalt not steal."

When Progressive Liberals sit in judgment over someone who may have earned more than them, they place themselves in God's stead and break the 1st Commandment, "Thou shalt not have other gods before me." Progressivism, Socialism, Communism, Liberalism, what ever you call it, is based upon sin.

Our parish priest just finished a book and suggested reading it called, "They fired the first shot." The author describes how Liberalism destroyes virtue.

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Mar 24th 2013 new
It is sad that an individual on this forum can not engage in discussion of a topic that effects every American without resorting to mean spirited insults. The question of the constitutionality of the Federal Reserve and whether we the people are morally or constitutionally liable for its actions has not been addressed.
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Mar 24th 2013 new

(Quote) Sean-851370 said: Obama rose to power in a fascist-style manner complete with mobs of adoring youth and vague utopia...
(Quote) Sean-851370 said:

Obama rose to power in a fascist-style manner complete with mobs of adoring youth and vague utopian slogans.

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No, he was elected to office. He slogged through the Democrat primary and won a long and bitter fight, and then he won two presidential elections.

The demographics of this country have tipped; the WASPs have contracepted themselves into the minority.

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Mar 24th 2013 new

(Quote) William-607613 said: No, he was elected to office. He slogged through the Democrat primary and won a long an...
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No, he was elected to office. He slogged through the Democrat primary and won a long and bitter fight, and then he won two presidential elections.

The demographics of this country have tipped; the WASPs have contracepted themselves into the minority.

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Obama rocketed to power pretty much unopposed here in IL. The stars aligned (or were aligned) for him.

The old networks still run the US but have grown much more sophisticated over the years and use puppets instead of placing themselves in high positions.

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Mar 24th 2013 new

Hey Tom,no ,we are not finish,but I can tell you whats going on in California (for being too social for too long)more taxing and lay offs are happening as we speak;And our standard of living is/will be coming down,because thats what comes when goverments start taking more and more of our moneys away;Our way of living as we known it,will start changing -----thats what we can expect as a country,Im afraid.I can still remember when our dollar carry weight in Europe,now its consider as a second rate currency,sadly,but its true!

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Mar 24th 2013 new

(Quote) Grant-863644 said: It is sad that an individual on this forum can not engage in discussion of a topic that effects every Am...
(Quote) Grant-863644 said: It is sad that an individual on this forum can not engage in discussion of a topic that effects every American without resorting to mean spirited insults. The question of the constitutionality of the Federal Reserve and whether we the people are morally or constitutionally liable for its actions has not been addressed.
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Congress's authority to establish a Central Bank was ruled on by the Supreme Court way back in 1819 in the McCulloch vs.Maryland Case.

So any argument that the Congress acted improperly and that the Ferd is unconctituional is utter and complete nonsense.

Congrees acted well within the the Authorites granted to it by the Constitution in artilcle I Sec. 8.

Ergo, all your questions are nothing more than wishful thinking about something you don't like and don't understands.

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Mar 24th 2013 new
(Quote) Sean-851370 said: Whatever the Fed is, it's been ruining the US economy for decades. For many years interest rates were too h...
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Whatever the Fed is, it's been ruining the US economy for decades. For many years interest rates were too high; now they're too low. This country is a mess. I remember years ago seeing the demolition of factories up in Chicago. Our cities are shells. Way to go Fed. Thanks for raping this country for Wall Street and London.

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Sean...you need to learn a bit more about the subject. Would you rather have the us congress in control of the money supply??--That group of nitwits are the ones who have allowed this enormous debt to build.Most of them have zero experience in business. Despite these wild claims about the dollar being devalued...There has been little devaluation.Inflation has been relatively low over the past several yrs. And low interest rates and easing by Bernanke--for now--are giving the economy a boost. Of course interest rates eventually will have to rise.But to do it gto any great extent now would not be helpful for the housing market or control of our skyrocketing natl debt.
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Mar 24th 2013 new

Doesn't Congress have the right to coin money? Before the mid-1960s there were silver certificates and US notes, the latter of which was the successor to the greenbacks. And before late 1913 there was no Federal Reserve. From 1863 until 1935 there was US national currency, which was secured by US bonds bought by local banks and deposited with the US Treasury. There were also gold certificates and treasury notes. In the 19th century and into the early 1900s the US economy expanded rapidly without the Federal Reserve. Perhaps no nation on earth has grown as fast as the US did in the 19th century.


For many years interest rates were too high. Volcker raised the federal funds rate to 20 percent in 1980, which caused the exchange rate to go up and greatly damaged the competitiveness of US industry. The US just can't keep going under this system. The Fed was supposedly created in order to stabilize the economy but has done the exact opposite.

(Quote) Tom-112790 said: Sean...you need to learn a bit more about the subject. Would you rather have the us congress in co...
(Quote) Tom-112790 said:

Sean...you need to learn a bit more about the subject. Would you rather have the us congress in control of the money supply??--That group of nitwits are the ones who have allowed this enormous debt to build.Most of them have zero experience in business. Despite these wild claims about the dollar being devalued...There has been little devaluation.Inflation has been relatively low over the past several yrs. And low interest rates and easing by Bernanke--for now--are giving the economy a boost. Of course interest rates eventually will have to rise.But to do it gto any great extent now would not be helpful for the housing market or control of our skyrocketing natl debt.
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Mar 24th 2013 new

(Quote) Hector-898563 said: Hey Tom,no ,we are not finish,but I can tell you whats going on in California (for being too soc...
(Quote) Hector-898563 said:

Hey Tom,no ,we are not finish,but I can tell you whats going on in California (for being too social for too long)more taxing and lay offs are happening as we speak;And our standard of living is/will be coming down,because thats what comes when goverments start taking more and more of our moneys away;Our way of living as we known it,will start changing -----thats what we can expect as a country,Im afraid.I can still remember when our dollar carry weight in Europe,now its consider as a second rate currency,sadly,but its true!

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California politicians are insane. The state is in debt beyond anything it can pay back. Some people and businesses are leaving the state....for Texas!!


I have a son and his family that live in California, I worry about them.

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Mar 24th 2013 new

(Quote) Bernie-350671 said: Actually, what is scary is that on several occasions, Obama has manipulated crowds into ...
(Quote) Bernie-350671 said:



Actually, what is scary is that on several occasions, Obama has manipulated crowds into calling for him to become a dictator and no one has called him on this.

For those who doubt me, you've seen it, where he tells supporters that he isn't a dictator, he can't just do things and the crowds actually egg him on. Because no one ever called him on this is the reason why he is now doing things that are not supposed to be done without Congresses' permission. The sequester has just given him cover to do more of them and to smoke screen his actions.

I am reminded that after the Israelites left Egypt they actually had a Democracy. God was the leader and every person was given the freedom to do as they pleased. The 10 Commandments were their constitution and laws. Still they called for a King.

Obama has screwed things up bad, but through the help of the press not reporting it and examining his actions, he has managed to escape being held responsible. He always blames someone else. This is exactly how Mussolini and Hitler became dictators. The mess they created got bad enough that their nations was willing to accept bondage in order to clean it up. Of course, we all know what happened.

Just to bring history forward. The Progressive movement of the lat 19th and early 20th Centuries was very dictatorial. Their ideas was to force change upon society for its own good. Eugenics was birthed in this movement. Nazis and to and extent the Japanese adopted the notion that their nations were superior and in order to progress they needed to purify it even more.

Rev. Wright's church preached a form of Liberation Theology called, Black Liberation Theology. The core belief is that blacks are superior to whites and that whites are an inferior race. This of course is a turning inside out of the Progressive movement, which had believed the opposite. The Progressives are not doctrinaire, but rather are dictatorial. They will adopt any belief so long as they get to control things.

At the real heart of the present movement is that they need to make things right, correct so called injustices and such. What they are really saying is that they want to get even for a wrong or perceived wrong committed against them and to do so by harming the people or the people they believe committed this transgression. This vengeance is really based on envy and greed. This brings us to the basis for Progressive Liberalism, is envy and greed.

It isn't greedy to want to earn more and to keep what you've earned. After all, either God gave you that money or it is the fruits of the gifts God gave you. It is greed when someone says that another person earns enough or too much and that government needs to make things equal and take or tax those earnings from them. Liberalism is the breaking of the 10th Commandment, "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's property." In a free society, my money IS my property.

Progressive Liberals sow sloth in the minds of people with the notion that they are entitled to something. This then becomes the empitusto tax, as in the US, or take, as in Europe, people's property, their money, from them. Since they are not entitled to that money and must conspire with government to take it from us, they are breaking the 6th Commandment, "Thou shalt not steal."

When Progressive Liberals sit in judgment over someone who may have earned more than them, they place themselves in God's stead and break the 1st Commandment, "Thou shalt not have other gods before me." Progressivism, Socialism, Communism, Liberalism, what ever you call it, is based upon sin.

Our parish priest just finished a book and suggested reading it called, "They fired the first shot." The author describes how Liberalism destroyes virtue.

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Okay, I agree with you on some of this. Let's face it, modern liberalism depends on completely ignoring the Commandments about "Thou shalt not covet..." It seems like everything they do is based on coveting what other people have.

But that doesn't make every dire prediction about the left true. One of the reasons why conservatives are having such a hard time in the public debate is because the media is able to paint conservatives as fringe lunatics. And the reason the media is able to paint them as fringe lunatics is that large numbers of them will take up whatever panicked "the sky is falling!" conspiracy theory that somebody comes up with.\

If we want to defeat Obama (and whoever is coming after Obama, because Obama is going in a few years), we need to do a better job picking our battles. The "birther" stupidity was a giant waste of time that helped Obama, not hurt him. Turning a a platoon of light armored vehicles into several heavy armored divisions does not help our credibility.

We need to be a lot more discerning in what we latch onto and believe. Or the liberals are going to continue to have it easy.

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