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Apr 4th 2013 new

The etymology of the word psychology is the greek word "psykhe" which means "breath, spirit, soul" + "logia" which means "study of" so psychology is the study of the spirit or the soul. Sounds a lot like religion does and in fact a good argument can be made that psychology is really a secular religion...a religion that is often at odds with our Christian beliefs on fundamental topics such as the anthropology of man. For reference you could try Paul Vitz's book, "Psychology as Religion". One major difference, however, is that while we are forbidden from teaching our Christian faith in public schools, almost everyone ends up taking psychology classes...in fact they are even taught in high school now. Is it any wonder that we are losing our Christian culture?

Apr 4th 2013 new

As a religious liberal, I thought I'd add my 2 cents.


The problem for me with many modern day conservatives (not all) is not that they value the traditional definition of marriage or oppose abortion, these are things that I stand for as well. The problem is the other things they endorse.

For example:

- I find that many conservatives have no sense of social justice. They will do anything and everything to make sure rich people the tax breaks they don't need, even if it means doing things that hurt ordinary people.

- they oppose doing things that help the environment. Big tobacco used the same tricks big oil is using now to spread confusion, denial in the face of clear scientific evidence.

- they favour harsh criminal sentences for anyone everyone except the crooked Wallstreet banksters who stole billions and took family's homes awy from them.

- they say they have family values but promote policies that hurt families: trying to destroy any help people get from the state (medicare, medicaid, social security, etc., welfare)

I don't necessarily think that all conservatives support these ideas, but I'm thinking of the worst of the bunch, people like Paul Ryan (a so-called Catholic who believes in Ayn Rand's philosophies)

Apr 4th 2013 new

Below is a letter I got from ACLJ....thought you guys might be interested.

Cheryl,

Our religious liberty and heritage are under attack like never before. But we are fighting back, and we are winning.

Just days ago we secured two more injunctions, including one from a key court of appeals, blocking the abortion-pill mandate for two more Christian business owners.

And, last week, a federal court threw out a lawsuit brought by angry atheists aimed at removing the World Trade Center Cross from the 9/11 Museum. This historic piece of 9/11 – a symbol of hope – will stay in its rightful place.

Yet the Obama Administration and radical atheists groups have vowed to appeal these critical cases. So the fight goes on.

Generous ACLJ members, who know of our success, have agreed to match every online donation; but with less than two weeks before our deadline, we are still over $255,000 short of our goal.

Have your tax-deductible gift doubled toward our work today.

Jay Sekulow
ACLJ Chief Counsel

Apr 4th 2013 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: As a religious liberal, I thought I'd add my 2 cents. The problem for me with many ...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

As a religious liberal, I thought I'd add my 2 cents.


The problem for me with many modern day conservatives (not all) is not that they value the traditional definition of marriage or oppose abortion, these are things that I stand for as well. The problem is the other things they endorse.

For example:

- I find that many conservatives have no sense of social justice. They will do anything and everything to make sure rich people the tax breaks they don't need, even if it means doing things that hurt ordinary people.

- they oppose doing things that help the environment. Big tobacco used the same tricks big oil is using now to spread confusion, denial in the face of clear scientific evidence.

- they favour harsh criminal sentences for anyone everyone except the crooked Wallstreet banksters who stole billions and took family's homes awy from them.

- they say they have family values but promote policies that hurt families: trying to destroy any help people get from the state (medicare, medicaid, social security, etc., welfare)

I don't necessarily think that all conservatives support these ideas, but I'm thinking of the worst of the bunch, people like Paul Ryan (a so-called Catholic who believes in Ayn Rand's philosophies)

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I think because you live in what is becoming a socialist govt., you see things differently. My guess is you even lean towards communism. I don't know any Catholic conservatives who do not want to take care of the poor...not a one. However, I am sure many will disagree with you on the "how". I'm pretty sure the Jesus did not tell the Church to steal from the wealthy and give it to the poor nor did he espouse that the state does this. He did want people to worship God first and not wealth, so that GIVING to the poor would come naturally when trying to please God. However, envy of the wealthy or whatever gifts others has is a deadly sin....might want to examine your conscience. I for one, have always been poor....I'm educated, but just as poor as I've always been and I don't want to steal from the wealthy so people who don't want to work can have cell phones and I especially don't want govt. to steal from me so people can kill their babies and pay for their birth control either, etc., etc., etc. I can tell you as a teacher what hurts people....the state and liberals. We are at a point where we have to pay our children to do their work and act someowhat respectful to their teachers in our schools.....this is thanks to the liberals and atheist I might add. I'm not kidding...we call it "loot" cause we aren't supposed to call it money and give it out so they can go purchase toys at the store and it only makes them moderately behave because they don't have to listen to anyone or do any work. Also, I doubt you know what clear scientific evidence is either....I'm sure you listen to propaganda....it is hard to say for sure though since you don't cite anything. The one thing I know for sure is Cahtolic conservative Christians are just as concerned about God's creation as anyone else is. What I do not believe is that liberals care as much for the unborn or traditional marriage as Catholic conservative Christians do since their vote shows otherwise.

Apr 4th 2013 new

Oh, and just for the record this topic really wasn't about the above stuff anyway. It was about how we are losing our country and faith due to the liberal media taking over the culture.

Apr 4th 2013 new

ONe more thing....I forgot to mention that in Cananda freedom of speech and freedom of religion has been under attack for quite a while now. Sharia law is seen more there than before. I'm afraid our great country is being attacked oto now especially under this administration and we are starting to see some of the same problems countries like Canada, France, and England already face.

Also, the law here is the law for everyone....period. However, judges and lawyers are crooked....this is true from the common Joe to the rich Joe. Many criminals have gotten away with it in this world whether rich or poor. I don't know one conservative who espouses that anyone gets away with crime....strange, strange, strange....

Apr 4th 2013 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: I heard on EWTN that during times of persecution of our faith that the key to changing it was th...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

I heard on EWTN that during times of persecution of our faith that the key to changing it was through the culture not politics....makes a lot of sense. He gave the example of shakespeare who did not run for office or start a political party during the Elizabethan age when Catholics were being killed but instead, he wrote plays. If you think about it, this makes a lot of sense. Who owns the culture now except the unreligious liberals? And their values have been spreading everywhere since they started "owning" it.


YOur thoughts?

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Cheryl: The only thing I can think of with the current culture today is that some celebrities have made it public information
that they have abstained from sex until their wedding day.

I remember the black woman on the view spoke about this. I heard some of the other younger celebrities talk about this too.
The woman on the view had already been married, so I am not sure what she was abstaining from, but they are making some
kind of an attempt.

The secular world has really gotten hold.

Apr 4th 2013 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: Cheryl: The only thing I can think of with the current culture today is that some cele...
(Quote) Marianne-100218 said:



Cheryl: The only thing I can think of with the current culture today is that some celebrities have made it public information
that they have abstained from sex until their wedding day.

I remember the black woman on the view spoke about this. I heard some of the other younger celebrities talk about this too.
The woman on the view had already been married, so I am not sure what she was abstaining from, but they are making some
kind of an attempt.

The secular world has really gotten hold.

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Well, I guess that would be a positive use of the media, right.

Apr 4th 2013 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: As a religious liberal, I thought I'd add my 2 cents. The problem for me with many ...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

As a religious liberal, I thought I'd add my 2 cents.


The problem for me with many modern day conservatives (not all) is not that they value the traditional definition of marriage or oppose abortion, these are things that I stand for as well. The problem is the other things they endorse.

For example:

- I find that many conservatives have no sense of social justice. They will do anything and everything to make sure rich people the tax breaks they don't need, even if it means doing things that hurt ordinary people.

- they oppose doing things that help the environment. Big tobacco used the same tricks big oil is using now to spread confusion, denial in the face of clear scientific evidence.

- they favour harsh criminal sentences for anyone everyone except the crooked Wallstreet banksters who stole billions and took family's homes awy from them.

- they say they have family values but promote policies that hurt families: trying to destroy any help people get from the state (medicare, medicaid, social security, etc., welfare)

I don't necessarily think that all conservatives support these ideas, but I'm thinking of the worst of the bunch, people like Paul Ryan (a so-called Catholic who believes in Ayn Rand's philosophies)

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A response from a conservative:

You wrote, "I find that many conservatives have no sense of social justice. They will do anything and everything to make sure rich people the tax breaks they don't need, even if it means doing things that hurt ordinary people."

First of all, what do you mean by "social justice"? Justice is a virtue that has to do with a person's right to what is theirs, whether material or non-material. What you aree referring to, however, is charity such as to the underprivileged and poor. Avarice, by the way, is a sin. "Social Justice" that takes from one person because they have more, and givess to another what is not theirs by justice, is not justice at all. However, regarding charity, which iis what you really meant to say, at least if we define our terms for this discussion by those of Holy Mother Church (see St. Thomas Aquinas's definitions on "Justice" and on "Charity", for example), then we are faced with the glaring facts that only the more conservative orders have done the most in organizing and executing charities for the poor. One of the reasons is because the traditional Catholic knows that egalitarianism is a heresy. And, without having wealthy donors, who have the right to spend and donate their money which they earned (and in the country, without exploiting tthe poorest workers, as they do in socialist and communist countries --- see Rerum Novarum and Quadrogesimo Ano), we do not have the ability to have charities and the financial support for religious orders that hold to the teaching's of the Church, and also do eithher or both corporal and spiritual works of mercy.

You wrote, "they oppose doing things that help the environment. Big tobacco used the same tricks big oil is using now to spread confusion, denial in the face of clear scientific evidence." HHmmm, I'm a conservative, and I am for supporting the environment. I think your issue iis that we don't buy into false science like "global warming", which has been understood now to be false, and has been since renamed to "Climate Change". It's a moving target meant to confuse people into looking at platforms that are not as important as things like prolife and profamily issues .

You wrote, "they favour harsh criminal sentences for anyone everyone except the crooked Wallstreet banksters who stole billions and took family's homes awy from them." I am a conservative and I know this isn't true at all about favoring leniency on bankers. I hear the liberals say this a lot, but I've not heard one single conservative author or celebrity support this. It is out right false. Your issue with "harsh criminal sentences" ---- you'd have to elaborte. I know many conservatives arre not against the death penalty for certain crimes like murders who are sane but make murder a habit.

You wrote," they say they have family values but promote policies that hurt families: trying to destroy any help people get from the state (medicare, medicaid, social security, etc., welfare)." Conservatives tend to be PRO FAMILY and that is why they are wary about things as "entitlements", which is really a lie and a euphemism for giving the government more control. Most conservatives ARE NOT against medicare or social security benefits, for example, and even support medicaid in certain circumstances. As a-matter-oof-fact, they support them MORE than most liberals because they realize that widening spending on actual entitlements OVER benefits will WEAKEN and eventually outright kill these programs. Also, what is the sense of paying out more entitlements to the point that ALL citizens, to one degrere or another, will have their healthcare quality dramtically diminish? And diminish it will, with less insurance companies able to compete in the market, and less medical personnel able to work in small offices (thanks to neww HIPPA data act being enforced), and tthanks to the Fedeeral Government indimidating doctors away from diagnosing accurately and honestly any disease that falls into the CDC list for epidemological diseases to be flagged. No, conservatives are for family values and want to stop the liberal agenda from hurting families and singles.

Apr 4th 2013 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: Well, I guess that would be a positive use of the media, right.
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

Well, I guess that would be a positive use of the media, right.

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Oh, I thought it was a good start, indeed.

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