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Apr 7th 2013 new

(Quote) Angela-374523 said: While my fellow Canadian’s opinions are his own, I do have to say that the anti-Canadian n...
(Quote) Angela-374523 said:

While my fellow Canadian’s opinions are his own, I do have to say that the anti-Canadian nonsense that gets repeated on these forums ad nauseum is a bit stale, especially when it comes from people who have never lived or perhaps even travelled to Canada. Virtually every single social problem that exists in Canada also exists in the United States.

Canada is not a totalitarian state. It is not a socialist country. The Canadian constitution guarantees freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Canada is not a pagan anti-Catholic wasteland either where Catholics cower under threat of persecution. There are provinces in Canada where Catholic schools are taxpayer funded. I actually attended them and I have friends with children enrolled in those schools.

May God bless the United States of America, but it is not the only democracy on the planet. The USA has many political and military allies that are also democracies. If you need to look for enemies, go pick on North Korea. Canada is not the problem.

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Angela, as America fights to keep it's religious freedom, something our current president is trying to dismantle via the HHS mandate, the priests at my parish spoke valiantly during this past election season, helping to guide their flock to keep with values that are aligned with scripture. One of our priests mentioned that keeping religious freedom is VITAL, and cited that if we don't, he'll be following the path of his fellow brother-priest from Canada who was arrested for teaching the gospel, which was interpreted as being hate speech.


I am not up on anything that happens in your country, but I feel my priest mentioned your country because of the path it's gone down, and knowing if we vote to give up our religious freedom, losing freedom of speech will follow.


I've googled and found a couple instances where what my priest mentioned seems to be true about Canada re: Catholics:


Priest removed for anti-gay sermons www.cbc.ca

Religious freedom in Canada (lots of information and examples) www.catholiceducation.org



Apr 7th 2013 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: "think your issue iis that we don't buy into false science like "global war...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

"think your issue iis that we don't buy into false science like "global warming", which has been understood now to be false, and has been since renamed to "Climate Change". It's a moving target meant to confuse people into looking at platforms that are not as important as things like prolife and profamily issues "

You've just proved my point.

Time for a quick lesson on basic science:

- Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere traps heat

- More carbon dioxide = more heat trapped in the atmosphere

- Result = unnatural levels of heat, and thus "global warming" or "climate change"

- some sources of carbon dioxide going into the atmosphere: automobiles, factories, coal plants

See, I know my science and I'm not going to believe a bunch of pseudoscience spouted by oil lobbyists. Real science is actually very simple, but what those who try to distort it do so by making it seem more complext than it is.

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Lynea,

You were probably thinking of the wide variations in the earth's temperature throughout the centuries, the effect that naturally-occuring forest fires and volcanoes would also have had on warming long before man played any role, the role that the solar cycles has been demonstrated to play in the variations in the earth's temperature, the fact that there hasn't been any measured warming for fifteen years, and the haste by environmentalists to establish a truism after measuring their hypothesis with a very limited time span.

You would be wrong. You see, John from Toronto knows better; he has all of the answers on the subject.

He's thirty.



Will

Apr 7th 2013 new

(Quote) Meg-920823 said: On a side note, check out Conrad Baars and Anna Terruwe's writings and also Dr. Baars' dau...
(Quote) Meg-920823 said:

On a side note, check out Conrad Baars and Anna Terruwe's writings and also Dr. Baars' daughter, Suzanne, who is regularly on EWTN. There is good Catholic psychology and it is a blessing--understanding the Thomistic view of our intellect and emotions.
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Haven't read those writings but if they are Thomistic and they are on EWTN I would expect they are worth reading.

Apr 8th 2013 new

(Quote) John-221057 said: All I know is our system saved my family from bankruptcy, and many others. <...
(Quote) John-221057 said:

All I know is our system saved my family from bankruptcy, and many others.

I'm glad everything worked out will for your sister-in-law because of these "socialist" government policies, but there are many instances of people dying because they can't afford health care. That is not exactly what I call a conscience. There has never been any incidents of this happening in Canada or in any of the other industrial countries. I call our system people taking care of people.

I think lots of people here need to remember Jesus telling us blessed are the poor and woe to the rich, and "what you do to the least of those who are my brothers, you do to me."

It's funny you play the abortion card when I never said that I supported abortion. I think I made it clear in my first post that I have the same position as you on that: I'm pro-life.

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I'm sorry, but govt. run medical is socialized medicine where people now no longer feel the need to work...why bother as they get free medical and free everything else and free abortions for that matter...what I"m talking about is safety nets (not socialized medicine) that are already here in our country sponsored by both our parties. This was there for my sister in law and in our country you are never denied medical and when it is persistent can claim disablity and they DID go bankrupt and survived...too bad....better to go bankrupt than to kill babies.

Are you telling me that in Canada, your govt. provides medical without abortion and birth control coverage??? If that is so great but if it isn't true than you are first caring about yourself....period....your fear results in the deaths of others. If you voted for this and supported it, then you indeed do vote for it and support it....period. I would rather have NO medical (been there) than support this.

Again, this thread was never about this.

Apr 8th 2013 new

(Quote) Lynea-297530 said: A response from a conservative: You wrote, "I find that many conser...
(Quote) Lynea-297530 said:

A response from a conservative:

You wrote, "I find that many conservatives have no sense of social justice. They will do anything and everything to make sure rich people the tax breaks they don't need, even if it means doing things that hurt ordinary people."

First of all, what do you mean by "social justice"? Justice is a virtue that has to do with a person's right to what is theirs, whether material or non-material. What you aree referring to, however, is charity such as to the underprivileged and poor. Avarice, by the way, is a sin. "Social Justice" that takes from one person because they have more, and givess to another what is not theirs by justice, is not justice at all. However, regarding charity, which iis what you really meant to say, at least if we define our terms for this discussion by those of Holy Mother Church (see St. Thomas Aquinas's definitions on "Justice" and on "Charity", for example), then we are faced with the glaring facts that only the more conservative orders have done the most in organizing and executing charities for the poor. One of the reasons is because the traditional Catholic knows that egalitarianism is a heresy. And, without having wealthy donors, who have the right to spend and donate their money which they earned (and in the country, without exploiting tthe poorest workers, as they do in socialist and communist countries --- see Rerum Novarum and Quadrogesimo Ano), we do not have the ability to have charities and the financial support for religious orders that hold to the teaching's of the Church, and also do eithher or both corporal and spiritual works of mercy.

You wrote, "they oppose doing things that help the environment. Big tobacco used the same tricks big oil is using now to spread confusion, denial in the face of clear scientific evidence." HHmmm, I'm a conservative, and I am for supporting the environment. I think your issue iis that we don't buy into false science like "global warming", which has been understood now to be false, and has been since renamed to "Climate Change". It's a moving target meant to confuse people into looking at platforms that are not as important as things like prolife and profamily issues .

You wrote, "they favour harsh criminal sentences for anyone everyone except the crooked Wallstreet banksters who stole billions and took family's homes awy from them." I am a conservative and I know this isn't true at all about favoring leniency on bankers. I hear the liberals say this a lot, but I've not heard one single conservative author or celebrity support this. It is out right false. Your issue with "harsh criminal sentences" ---- you'd have to elaborte. I know many conservatives arre not against the death penalty for certain crimes like murders who are sane but make murder a habit.

You wrote," they say they have family values but promote policies that hurt families: trying to destroy any help people get from the state (medicare, medicaid, social security, etc., welfare)." Conservatives tend to be PRO FAMILY and that is why they are wary about things as "entitlements", which is really a lie and a euphemism for giving the government more control. Most conservatives ARE NOT against medicare or social security benefits, for example, and even support medicaid in certain circumstances. As a-matter-oof-fact, they support them MORE than most liberals because they realize that widening spending on actual entitlements OVER benefits will WEAKEN and eventually outright kill these programs. Also, what is the sense of paying out more entitlements to the point that ALL citizens, to one degrere or another, will have their healthcare quality dramtically diminish? And diminish it will, with less insurance companies able to compete in the market, and less medical personnel able to work in small offices (thanks to neww HIPPA data act being enforced), and tthanks to the Fedeeral Government indimidating doctors away from diagnosing accurately and honestly any disease that falls into the CDC list for epidemological diseases to be flagged. No, conservatives are for family values and want to stop the liberal agenda from hurting families and singles.

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This is a really good response. I completely overlooked it. Thank you for your posts here as they are very accurate.

Apr 8th 2013 new

(Quote) Lynea-297530 said: When one states a premise that is valid, the conclusion has to be logical as well...
(Quote) Lynea-297530 said:





When one states a premise that is valid, the conclusion has to be logical as well. There can't be glaring holes of missing premises for one to call it a "conclusion" that is logical. Liberals thrive on making arguments like this, just to confuse those who don't have the facts and realize, "Well that doesn't make sense, but I guess he ought to know."

Carbon dioxide traps 'heat', but why don't you tell everyone how much carbon dioxide it would take to raise a temperature to any measurable degree? That premise is conveniently missing, along with the improbability of that ever happening. OK, but, I'll mention it here:
Greenhouse gases consist of only 3% of the atmosphere with 97% of these gases being made up of CO2, CH4, Ozone and N2O*. (*CO2 constitutes about 0.037% of the atmosphere. )

Where is the sun, and the clouds in all these "global warming" assertions? Answer: no where.
The sun plays the biggest part in any climate warming, incidentally. These radiation changes are cyclical and changing all the time. (See: ice age.)

CO2 levels move up and down AFTER the temperature has done so, and thus are the RESULT OF, NOT THE CAUSE of warming. Geological field work in recent sediments confirms this causal relationship. There is solid evidence that, as temperatures move up and down naturally and cyclically through solar radiation, orbital and galactic influences, the warming surface layers of the earth's oceans expel more CO2 as a result.

You also forgot to mention that despite the HUGE surge in carbon dioxide level SOURCES (not the overall levels) emitted from unnatural sources, including homes/apartments/ condos (which, by the way, emit 2 to 3 times the amount of carbon dioxide that any automobile), yet global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940.

We've been sold a bag of goods that CO2 is dangerous to the environment, when in fact, plants require CO2 for food to survive. Plants, in turn, give off oxygen. I guess, maybe we all could hold our breath, stop wearing clothing that is made in factors, live in tents (or at least not in buildings with gas or electric heating), walk to work, and turn off our computers --- just as start.

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Another point you explained way better than I could have....thanks.

Apr 10th 2013 new

thanks, Cheryl.

That line that conservatives want to protect greedy wall street investors (bankers) is a lie lie lie. They have no proof that this is true about the average conservative, because that isn't true. Libs get that from the fed reserve that is socialist and says this type of stuff knowing that they won't look into it. They gaslight, that's all it is. When you hold their feet to the fire to explain this nonsense, they make the excuse that it is the "big banks" that are evil and greedy. So the Federal Government and Fed Reserve are looking to TANK the banks --- and not just the large ones, but the small ones, too. Don't believe me? Then you simply have your head in the sand. MOST small banks have gone under in the last 5 years. Soon there will be no small banks. Soon there will be only a very, very few large banks, and they will be run from Asia. I know a bit about the Federal Reserve from attending the meetings at the KC one with the Banker's Institute. I can tell you, they (the Fed Reserve) is downright bold about wanting to end the big banks. But guess what? This will hurt the average citizen they (LIE) and claim to want to protect. You don't have to think too long to imagine the consequences of not being able to have control of your own money. However, you have to want to THINK about this, and not just go off on a few sound bites you've been fed and the emotions they provoke in one who is not really aware of what is happening.

Apr 10th 2013 new

Just to distill the "wall street bankers" point:
To a conservative: Injustice is always wrong. Wall street bankers that steal money ought to do time.

But to a conservative big banks ought to not be constantly bailed out, but they should NOT be penalized for doing JUST and FAIR commerce, by unreasonable laws, to the point of having to lose their margins and eventually their stability. THAT is what the current regime has been trying to do and boasting that they WILL do.

To a conservative, it is a good idea to have options and competition with banks, to have a choice of where to bank, and to not have to pay exhorbinant fees.

To a liberal, anything and everything the Fed says has got to be right. To a liberal, there is no difference between an evil Wall Street investor and big banks (while they themselves have their money in big banks). They want everyone punished, if that's what the current regime wants, because commerce is bad. They ultimately want entitlements even to the point where they are told where to put their money and they no longer have control over the little money they have, and even when that money has lost most of its value.

Apr 11th 2013 new

(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said: I'm sorry, but govt. run medical is socialized medicine where people now no longer feel the ...
(Quote) Cheryl-409772 said:

I'm sorry, but govt. run medical is socialized medicine where people now no longer feel the need to work...why bother as they get free medical and free everything else and free abortions for that matter...what I"m talking about is safety nets (not socialized medicine) that are already here in our country sponsored by both our parties. This was there for my sister in law and in our country you are never denied medical and when it is persistent can claim disablity and they DID go bankrupt and survived...too bad....better to go bankrupt than to kill babies.

Are you telling me that in Canada, your govt. provides medical without abortion and birth control coverage??? If that is so great but if it isn't true than you are first caring about yourself....period....your fear results in the deaths of others. If you voted for this and supported it, then you indeed do vote for it and support it....period. I would rather have NO medical (been there) than support this.

Again, this thread was never about this.

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Wow, how uninformed you really are about Canada. All of our politicians in Canada support abortion, even the Conservative Party. So no matter how I vote I'm voting for someone who supports it. I don't like it, but that's the reality.

And as for your holier-than-thou attitude, I think you need a reminder of our saviour's word:

"How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:3-5)

That's the problem with conservatives, too. Talking like you're better than everyone else. They're dirty, you're oh so clean and perfect.

Apr 11th 2013 new

(Quote) Wendy-387654 said: (Quote) Angela-374523 said: While my fellow Canadian’s opinions are ...
(Quote) Wendy-387654 said:

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Angela-374523 said:

While my fellow Canadian’s opinions are his own, I do have to say that the anti-Canadian nonsense that gets repeated on these forums ad nauseum is a bit stale, especially when it comes from people who have never lived or perhaps even travelled to Canada. Virtually every single social problem that exists in Canada also exists in the United States.

Canada is not a totalitarian state. It is not a socialist country. The Canadian constitution guarantees freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Canada is not a pagan anti-Catholic wasteland either where Catholics cower under threat of persecution. There are provinces in Canada where Catholic schools are taxpayer funded. I actually attended them and I have friends with children enrolled in those schools.

May God bless the United States of America, but it is not the only democracy on the planet. The USA has many political and military allies that are also democracies. If you need to look for enemies, go pick on North Korea. Canada is not the problem.



Angela, as America fights to keep it's religious freedom, something our current president is trying to dismantle via the HHS mandate, the priests at my parish spoke valiantly during this past election season, helping to guide their flock to keep with values that are aligned with scripture. One of our priests mentioned that keeping religious freedom is VITAL, and cited that if we don't, he'll be following the path of his fellow brother-priest from Canada who was arrested for teaching the gospel, which was interpreted as being hate speech.


I am not up on anything that happens in your country, but I feel my priest mentioned your country because of the path it's gone down, and knowing if we vote to give up our religious freedom, losing freedom of speech will follow.


I've googled and found a couple instances where what my priest mentioned seems to be true about Canada re: Catholics:


Priest removed for anti-gay sermons www.cbc.ca

Religious freedom in Canada (lots of information and examples) www.catholiceducation.org



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Okay, here's the problem with what Father Gionet was doing: "Gionet said Wednesday that people who are gay are a threat to the Catholic Church."

That's focusing on the person instead of the problem. Our Catholic faith holds that all people are made in the image and likeness of God, and therefore are all entitled to the dignity and worth that is owed to the human person. This includes all people no matter their race, gender or sexual orientation.

If he had said homosexual acts and same-sex marriage are a threat to the Catholic Church, that would have been upholding the Church's teaching. But he didn't. He said gay people themselves are the problem, and that's why he was removed.

To discriminate against a group of people on these grounds undermines the dignity and worth of the human person as made in the image and likeness of God.

We need to focus on the sins, not the sinners. We can hate the sin but love the sinners.

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