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Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Frank-410833 said: Even if one gets called home today or tomorrow with the intention of participating in the Divine ...
(Quote) Frank-410833 said:

Even if one gets called home today or tomorrow with the intention of participating in the Divine Mercy it would be the same as if you had died as soon as you had just completed the Divine Mercy. That's how merciful God is. He knows our hearts and what we were going to do. Same goes with regular confession. If you got into a fatal car accident or had a heart attack days before plannng on going to confession, do not worry, you're forgiven. To go one step further to ease one's mide ,say the Act of Contrition until you can get to confession but stay in the state of grace.

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Hi Frank,

However, one of our Blessed Mother's promises to those who recite the Rosary is to not die without receiving the Sacraments of the Church. That's a good base to cover! You are so right though, God's Mercy is so far reaching, we'd be the ultimate morons to not avail ourselves of it and to tell everyone we can.

Theresa

Apr 5th 2013 new

Typical Irish don't you know. I said that in an Irish accent to myself.

Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Tom-112790 said: (Quote) Naomi-698107 said: I usually don't pray this as I understand its tradit...
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I usually don't pray this as I understand its traditional to pray it at 1500hrs and I'm kinda pedantic about praying things at certain times that are suggested. I'm usually asleep or at work at 1500hrs! So I found I couldn't keep up with it. I tend to pray the standard 54 Novena and just pray that at whatever time I find agreeable.

As for ignorance vs. opposition, I find generally that people are neither and just can't bothered simply because of how society now views sin and its consquences. I know too many Catholics who think Hell isn't forever, Hell is just for the "Hitlers", that there's no sin that can seperate us from God, [which is true, but they view this in a sense where you dont' need confession just say "Oh gee God, sorry about that, you understand right?", oir don't even do that] you know, the usual Protestant nonsense of once saved always saved under some wishy washy cafeteria catholic flavour.

So if people don't view sin as having any real consquence, why bother praying something that's supposed to remove the punishment of sin?

Our Clergy really have their work cut out for them. I know its not popular, but we need to start talking about the H word again.




there is a hell...but im not sure that there is full agreement on the eternity of it. i'm more of a purgatory guy. i am guessing that the majority of all humans end up in purgatory after

death....with a very small percentage either going straight to heaven or hell. but what do i know??

from what ive read of purgatory....its much better to resolve most issues here on earth to say the least
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Naomi - I totally understand not being able to pray the Divine Mercy at 3 o'c as you could be at work. Jesus desires we pray it then as that is when He died (I know you know that) - when Mercy was granted to the world; and has said if we cannot say it then to at least say "Oh Blood and Water which gushed forth from the Heart of Jesus as a fount of Mercy for us, I trust in You" three times as soon as we see it is 3 p.m. Also, I hear what you're saying about priests not talking enough about sin - they don't want to offend people and I think are told not to focus on their sins - to keep the butts in the seats and the money coming in. Opposite happens though, if people don't think anything is a sin and Heaven is an automatic - then what's the need of even going to Church or Confession? When priests do that they are failing in their grave moral responsibility.

Tom - first just so you know I went to Catholic school (so am telling you from what I know, not meaning to be preachy to you. :-) Nobody is going to Heaven who dies with even one mortal sin on their soul. They will go straight to Hell where they will remain for all eternity. Only a soul dying in a perfect state of grace without even a venial sin on their soul will go straight to Heaven; and hence why so many go to Purgatory first. We go to Purgatory to be cleansed; those there will eventually be going to Heaven, but they are powerless to do anything to hasten the day. Those there are completely reliant on us to pray and fast so they can be released from their prison - hence why we have Masses said for the deceased; and the great benefits of this Divine Mercy devotion Christ has given us! Who wants to be relying on anyone else to see God? Our prayers are of more value while we are alive than after a soul has passed, also. Purgatory is nowhere we want to be for any length of time. It is referred to in our Apostles Creed as 'hell'; Christ having descended there after His Resurrection to take the souls of the just with him to Heaven; they were awaiting His death and Resurrection before they could go. Peace!

Theresa




Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Pat-5351 said: I have had a devotion to the Divine Mercy for a long time (I am part Polish so that helps), and I am ...
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I have had a devotion to the Divine Mercy for a long time (I am part Polish so that helps), and I am all for Divine Mercy Sunday!

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Pat,

The Divine Mercy Chaplet is a beautiful devotion to pray every day. You mentioned you are part Polish and reminded me when I read her Diary, and after Our Blessed Mother, St. Faustina went to the top of my favorite saint's list.

Blessings, Praying hug rose

Leon

Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Bernard-2709 said: What? How have you deduced that I have isolated myself from mainstream Catholicism?
(Quote) Bernard-2709 said:

What? How have you deduced that I have isolated myself from mainstream Catholicism?

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I will repeat it is not about the Chaplet the Feast of Mercy is what I am talking about. You have side stepped it and brought up other devotions to confuse the issue. In the case of the Sacred Heart you are talking about the prayers and promises. If you were to compare them, they are both promugated Solemnities. The only difference being that which Christ Himself, not anyone else, has attached to this Feast. A Feast also that He Himself has asked for.The Chaplet and Rosary and the other prayer Devotions yes, chose what you will, but that is not relevant to this Solemnity. But in regard to the Divine Mercy Sunday, take another look and take advantage of it. It will always return annually the Sunday after Easter, it is now a part of the Roman Missal. It is not going away, all it is is an enourmously generous gift from an all loving Saviour. I am blown away by the attempts to reduce Divine Mercy Sunday to some trivial little novelty. The CDF has ratified it's place in the Church Calendar. You have had 13 Years to come to grips with it. So the "Why pick on lil' ol' me doesn't wash."

Just get on board and enjoy the benefits, you stand to lose nothing and gain more than you can imagine. Why not reflect and ask the glaring question. Why has Christ picked this era to give such a Gift. What is He preparing us for? Some of us may not make it to the next Divine Mercy Sunday. It is like you buy your son the greatest gift that he has always wanted and instead of opening it, thanking, and displaying gratitude he pushes it aside and says he'll open it later. Christ has said that he is wounded by His children's indifference ftoor the suffering of His passion that He endured for us. This Solemnity is all about Love Eternal giving everything. Holding nothing back. I don't see the problem. Oh and please, no shopping list of Devotions please, that is not the issue I am addressing and is irrelevant to this Solemnity.

Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Frank-410833 said: Well said Con!!! I love you my Catholic brother. Hopefully I'll see you in Heaven.
(Quote) Frank-410833 said:

Well said Con!!! I love you my Catholic brother. Hopefully I'll see you in Heaven.

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Done Frank, I'll be on third cloud on the left. Set your watch to 10 to Eternity. Bring nothing all is supplied! You obviously get that which is on offer here. Enjoy the Day!

Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Con-888377 said: (Quote) Bernard-2709 said: What? How have you deduced that I have isolated m...
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What? How have you deduced that I have isolated myself from mainstream Catholicism?


You have had 13 Years to come to grips with it. So the "Why pick on lil' ol' me doesn't wash."
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boggled eyebrow Huh?

Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Bernard-2709 said: Huh?
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Huh?

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My point exactly, you just don't get it or you have shut your mind to understanding it.

Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Theresa-110510 said: Hi Frank,However, one of our Blessed Mother's promises to those who recite ...
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Hi Frank,

However, one of our Blessed Mother's promises to those who recite the Rosary is to not die without receiving the Sacraments of the Church. That's a good base to cover! You are so right though, God's Mercy is so far reaching, we'd be the ultimate morons to not avail ourselves of it and to tell everyone we can.

Theresa

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Welcome Theresa the day is only hours away. It is a great gift and as usual with Jesus, we get the present!

Apr 5th 2013 new

(Quote) Con-888377 said: (Quote) Bernard-2709 said: Huh? My point exactly, you just do...
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Huh?


My point exactly, you just don't get it or you have shut your mind to understanding it.

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I think Divine Mercy Sunday is incredible.I never said I was against it.

BTW, I like your violin and your beautiful guitars!

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