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Apr 14th 2013 new
Unity between Orthodox and Catholics, and certain groups of Anglicans and Catholic-minded Lutherans, is more likely than unity with the disparate groups of Protestants who can't even agree among themselves on the fundamentals of faith.
Apr 14th 2013 new
Even though I am not a fan of Coptic chant. The Coptic Orthodox from Egypt are my favorite group of Eastern Christians because they are devout and very friendly to outsiders.

Most of the time their Bible studies are in agreement with Catholic teaching.
Apr 14th 2013 new

(Quote) Lilia-959452 said: I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to othe...
(Quote) Lilia-959452 said: I've seen lately on FB, many posts from Catholics against Protestants trying to lecture ones to other about their " mistakes" in their respective teachings that BTW are endless discussions followed by insults, Shouldn't we be praying ones for others? Shouldn't we act more like brothers instead oh hitting us with the Bible?
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Hello Lilia - I'm sorry to hear that. I have so many friends who are devout non-Catholic Christians and I feel like I have more in common with them than our Cafeteria Catholic brethren. I try to keep an open dialog with them. When I they something what we thought we believe, I explain to them we we truly believe, but with charity. I'd like to think that I am planting seeds. I even gave a some of them a Rosary and then it's a joy to explain what it is complete with Scripture verses because, most of our Protestant brothers and sisters do put most of us Catholics to shame with their love for Scriptures :D

Apr 14th 2013 new
Protestants might say that we Catholics don't know our faith, but the truth is that we do not approach our faith as Protestants do. Our CCD was never referred to as "bible school." Protestants are more likely to have a lifetime of memorizing bible scripture, but we Catholics depend upon our priests for scriptural interpretation.

Catholics do not interrpret scripture literally. We are not Fundamentalists. Most of us Catholics do not have the theological education sufficient to provide a true interrpretation of bible scripture. Understanding scripture is similar to studying poetry or law: we may be able to read the words, but we have to have an overall understanding of its context to approach a good understanding that is thorough.

The job of our parish priests is to be concerned with the parish in terms of the faith. They do not have spouses or immediate family to support. If they did, who would be put first, their immediate family or their parish? The first apostles were required to leave their families in order to follow Jesus. Jesus acknowledged women and loved them. He supported their study of his teachings, but not as leaders of the faith.
Apr 14th 2013 new

I have always looked at the "holier-than-thou" attitude of a lot of protestants with amusement, and fun. I have great friends that are Protestants and I simply love to discuss the bible with them. They love to talk about grace, until they make 180-degree turn and use part of the law to criticize how whe Catholic have strayed from the law, how they will be saved before us because they are allegedly "closer to Christ". It is fun to see how they react when I tell them that they are very far from following the bible. I love to tell them that they cannot balance between grace and the law, they have to either go completely for grace (in which case they cannot criticize Catholics, since grace is something neither of us deserves, it is given by God) or the law (in which case they fail miserably since I can point out scores of Old Testament rules that they don't follow). As soon as they realized how super confident I am and how well-versed I am in all the scriptures, they back down. I demonstrate to them their lack of knowledge of the scriptures whenever they mention the Virgin Mary as if she "does not belong", and everything else they usually "attack" Catholics on. I love it when I compare them to the Pharisees. Then, after I compare them to the Pharisees, I pat their backs, since they are my friends after all.

Apr 15th 2013 new

(Quote) Bernard-2709 said: http://www.radioreplies.info/radio-replies-vol-1.php?t=23
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Are all one Church?

208.Your preceding replies are based upon a misapprehension. There is no real lack of essential unity in the Christian Churches at all. All together form the one true Church.

However nice that looks on paper, it is impossible. We cannot hold that hundreds of conflicting churches, even those disowning each other, are all one united church. The good Wesleyan who says that Rome is idolatrous would have to admit that the idolatrous Catholic belongs to the same church as himself, and is equally a Christian. The notion demands not a little suppression of reason. Again, if the Catholic Church ex-communicates a man, almost any Protestant Church will promptly receive him. If the Catholic Church and the Protestant Church which receives him are one and the same, you will have the same Christ accepting and rejecting the same man at one and the same time!

209. Did not St. Paul acknowledge the various individual churches of his time?

The churches to which St. Paul wrote were as much united as Catholics in London today are united in one Church with the Catholics in New York, Berlin, Italy, and Australia. Non-Catholics, however, are not united, have not held fast to the traditions, believe practically as they please, and have made shipwreck of the faith as well as of disciplinary unity.

210. Tertullian says that, as in the ocean there are many seas and ports, so in the Catholic Church there are many churches. How can the Roman branch exclude the other branches?

Tertullian had in mind the expansion of the one Catholic Church to many centres, each branch remaining united to the same legitimate authority.

211. To my mind the whole of Christianity is like a wheel. Christ is the centre, whilst the various churches are the spokes.

Christ forms the complete wheel, and as He identifies the Church with Himself as his mystical body, the Catholic Church is the complete wheel, hub, spokes, and all, of Christianity in this world. And Christ prayed to His Father that the Church might be one as He and His Father are one. All non-Catholic forms of professing Christianity are broken and discarded spokes, no longer in the wheel at all as churches, whilst most of the members of these churches disown all connection with the wheel which they abandoned at the Reformation.

212. Could we not call Christ's Church a garden? The Roman Catholic Church is the original tree—the others slips cut off, and growing in the same garden, and producing the same fruit, but with a slightly different flavor?

That is not possible. These analogies may be suitable to wrong ideas, but they do not prove those wrong ideas correct. Christ said that His Church would be one Church, not a garden of churches. As for the same fruit, the Catholic Church forbids divorce—non-Catholic churches allow it. There is more than a difference of flavor here! One fruit of the tree is unity and obedience, a fruit which the Catholic Church alone produces. That the non-Catholic churches bear some fruit I admit, but they do not produce all the fruit Christ intended. The explanation of such fruit as they seem to produce we shall see later on. Meantime your attempts to maintain the unity of all the conflicting churches are opposed both to revelation and to reason. Christ said, "If a man will not hear the Church, let him be as the heathen." Your system would leave him baffled. "Hear which Church?" he would cry. If you replied, "Any Church, for all churches constitute the one Church of Christ," he would complain, "But the Catholic Church forbids this, and the Anglican Church permits it!" Again, you say that the Catholic Church is as much part of the true Church as any others. But she solemnly declares that the others do not belong to the true Church. If she is truly speaking with the authority of Christ, they do not. If she is wrong, she forfeits any claims to be part of the true teaching Church. No, they cannot all be true, and the Catholic Church is the only one that is really certain that she is right.

213. I admit that it is impossible to maintain that all the churches are really united into one Church; but I deny that lack of unity really matters. After all, go into any Christian church, and you will hear Christ preached, and the Word of God spoken.

On that score, the Seventh Day Adventists who teach that the Pope is Anti-Christ, and the Catholic Church which teaches that he is the very Vicar of Christ would both be teaching doctrines equally pleasing to God! As a matter of fact you will not hear Christ preached in any Christian church, for in all non-Catholic churches you will hear now one, now another distorted aspect of Christian doctrine. Even did you hear the uncorrupted Word of God in some non-Catholic church, that would not make you a member of Christ's true Church.

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Apr 21st 2013 new
(Quote) Reena-961146 said: Hello Lilia - I'm sorry to hear that. I have so many friends who are devout non-Catholi...
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Hello Lilia - I'm sorry to hear that. I have so many friends who are devout non-Catholic Christians and I feel like I have more in common with them than our Cafeteria Catholic brethren. I try to keep an open dialog with them. When I they something what we thought we believe, I explain to them we we truly believe, but with charity. I'd like to think that I am planting seeds. I even gave a some of them a Rosary and then it's a joy to explain what it is complete with Scripture verses because, most of our Protestant brothers and sisters do put most of us Catholics to shame with their love for Scriptures :D

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We do reverence the Scriptures; it is just that we do not go spilling out a long list of Bible quotes in our normal day lives.
Apr 21st 2013 new

(Quote) Paul-302787 said: We do reverence the Scriptures; it is just that we do not go spilling out a long list of Bible qu...
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We do reverence the Scriptures; it is just that we do not go spilling out a long list of Bible quotes in our normal day lives.
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You are correct, we do reverence the Scriptures. I was just saying that I admire my non-Catholic Christians because of their love of Scriptures. Being friends with Bible-Christian folks makes me approach my evangelization and apologetics that way - I start with the Scriptures with them and work my way out. Like I said, there are great things that we can pick from our protestant brethren. We can also " spill out a long list a Bible quotes in our normal day lives" like they do, if we want to - there is the Liturgy of the Hours, Lection Devina and Daily Mass.



Apr 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) Naomi-698107 said: I saw a while bavk, and it might have been one of Michael Vorris' things, something ...
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I saw a while bavk, and it might have been one of Michael Vorris' things, something that spoke about how Protestantism has enabled atheism, as Protestantism has no authority and it has no solid Truth. So when you have 40,000 different Protestant churches all teaching different things, some concepts hugely seperated from others, then of course that lends itself to a mindset right for moral relativism, which is one of the, if not the most important stepping stones for the development of atheism - at least in the modern age, where I find atheism to be populated by angry, incredibly ignorant individuals who only wish to live their own lives free of any "control".

Protestants, for the most part are notorius for "church shopping". Don't like the music at this Church? Cross the street. Don't like the pastor talking about how homosexual acts are deviant? Go to the church around the corner. Don't like the coffee served? Church by the park. New church doesn't have child care? Go five blocks away. So when you create a system where no one can claim true authority, and everyone just beleives whatever the heck they "feel" like, then of course atheism is the natural extension of that.

Basically, if your christian path is determined by what you "feel" and think, then you've already placed yoruself in the position of God. If you're in the position of God determining what's right and wrong, then its not difficul at all to remove God and replace Him with yourself.

Catholics need to get educated, and we need to start standing up. We need to learn up our scriptures and Sacred Tradition so we can better defend against common Protestant arguments, which if studied properly, are discovered to be all completely flawed and without substence.

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Speaking as a convert to Catholicism and once being an Evangelical Protestant, I can honestly say that my conversion to Christianity was not emotional and was based on what I knew was true at the time. Basically a simple faith in Jesus Christ and His death on the cross.


There are many fine Protestant Christians who I am proud to say are my friends and brothers and sisters in Christ. You can't categorize all of Protestantism in one category as it has many different facets and that is part of the problem. However I have all the respect in the world for people like Billy Graham, William Lane Craig, C.S. Lewis and we Catholics are no better when we judge all Protestants as heretics.


As an Evangelical I certainly never thought of myself as being in a position of God, or that I knew everything. Catholicism has huge problems with modernism, so it's not just Protestants as a whole. I love my Catholic Faith and I am very conservative and traditional, but I am glad for my Evangelical background as it lead me to the Catholic Faith.

Apr 23rd 2013 new

(Quote) Naomi-698107 said: I saw a while bavk, and it might have been one of Michael Vorris' things, something ...
(Quote) Naomi-698107 said:

I saw a while bavk, and it might have been one of Michael Vorris' things, something that spoke about how Protestantism has enabled atheism, as Protestantism has no authority and it has no solid Truth. So when you have 40,000 different Protestant churches all teaching different things, some concepts hugely seperated from others, then of course that lends itself to a mindset right for moral relativism, which is one of the, if not the most important stepping stones for the development of atheism - at least in the modern age, where I find atheism to be populated by angry, incredibly ignorant individuals who only wish to live their own lives free of any "control".

Protestants, for the most part are notorius for "church shopping". Don't like the music at this Church? Cross the street. Don't like the pastor talking about how homosexual acts are deviant? Go to the church around the corner. Don't like the coffee served? Church by the park. New church doesn't have child care? Go five blocks away. So when you create a system where no one can claim true authority, and everyone just beleives whatever the heck they "feel" like, then of course atheism is the natural extension of that.

Basically, if your christian path is determined by what you "feel" and think, then you've already placed yoruself in the position of God. If you're in the position of God determining what's right and wrong, then its not difficul at all to remove God and replace Him with yourself.

Catholics need to get educated, and we need to start standing up. We need to learn up our scriptures and Sacred Tradition so we can better defend against common Protestant arguments, which if studied properly, are discovered to be all completely flawed and without substence.

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There is another thing I would like to point out. There are not 40,000 different denominations and we as Catholics are just as wrong as say Dave Hunt or James White when we repeat such exagerations such as this. It simply is not true. The number is still not good but it is probably closer to about 8000. As I said that is not good either but if we are going to help others understand what the Church really teaches it doesn't help to continue to repeat stuff that is simply not accurate.


Fulton J. Sheen once said that you won't find 100 people in America who hate the Catholic Church, but you will find thousands who hate what they believe is the Catholic Church. Let's not make the same mistakes as though who are anti-catholic such as James White and Dave Hunt. Nobody in a thousand will believe us if we are repeating exagerations just to make a point.


Many of the problems that Evangelical Protestants have with Catholicism is based on ignorance. There are some such as White who are just downright dishonest and hate the Church no matter what. Fortunately people like James White are pretty rare for the most part. Most Evangelicals simply are repeating what they have heard.



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