One more time Mr Music! We are using the term them not in a derogatory manner but as a way of identification for conversation purposes. No one here is pointing fingers of hate or anger. There is a lot of ground to work through and it does no good to engage in dialogue if you're not fully conversant with Church teaching and how the Church explains the subject matter themselves. Most of the pre 1960's books give very in depth explanations that can be presented in an edifying manner. These works are not outdated as the subject matter is Eternal. I have acquired a vast library from modernists throwing out books to be burnt without the authority to do so.I have a small spot where I can sit! My musical instruments and my 2 cats and my vast library have taken over! Which by the way I'm quite happy with! So in closing don't dispair we are not on a hate fest. We are only trying to do what is spiritually good for our separated brothers and sisters. THe Catholic Church contains the fullness of truth. These people are victims of self indulgent renegades that broke away from the Church and then proceeded to drag others in to the same pit they fell into.I t is up to us to give them access to the fullness of truth without compromise. It is what God expects of us. If you want to blame someone focus on the founders and become familiar with where their error lies and use that to bridge the gap. Unfortunately there isn't a magic wand to wave to fix things Satan used it for firewood!