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04/11/2013 new

(Quote) Carrie-529869 said: The pill is the absolute worst thing for PCOS Please consult a ...
(Quote) Carrie-529869 said:


The pill is the absolute worst thing for PCOS


Please consult a napro doctor to actually fix the problem rather than mask the symptoms. The pill is a group 1 carcinogen. It. is. pure. poison. The synthetic hormones are getting into the water streams and causing problems for women that aren't even on the pill, and also harming the fish.

I've been charting for my health for 11 years. Napro doc diagnosed from the charts PCOS and another minor condition. Treated and fixed! Years later, discovered low progesterone from charting (could have miscarried if I was trying to conceive). Fixed with a natural progesterone. This past year, diagnosed polyps and had surgery to fix that. ALL from charting.

Please, for the love of all things holy , please-- Go to omsoul.com and get a napro NFP only doc. Many MANY docs on there that say how poisonous the pill is, will not prescribe it.



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My daughter was diagnosed with PCOS. She was offered the choice to use hormonal BC, but opted instead for metformin, which worked.

04/11/2013 new

(Quote) Carrie-529869 said: I don't know what list you are talking about. But the so-called "...
(Quote) Carrie-529869 said:


I don't know what list you are talking about. But the so-called "protection" you are talking about is actually the lessened cancer instances when women get pregnant. Because the pill "fakes" a pregnancy, this is the similar response.

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The list of the group 1 carcinogens which you referred to. Here it is taken from: www.cancer.org

Known human carcinogensInternational Agency for Research on Cancer
Group 1: Carcinogenic to humans

Acetaldehyde (from consuming alcoholic beverages) Acid mists, strong inorganic Aflatoxins Alcoholic beverages Aluminum production 4-Aminobiphenyl Areca nut Aristolochic acid (and plants containing it) Arsenic and inorganic arsenic compounds Asbestos (all forms) and mineral substances (such as talc or vermiculite) that contain asbestos Auramine production Azathioprine Benzene Benzidine and dyes metabolized to benzidine Benzo[a]pyrene Beryllium and beryllium compounds Betel quid, with or without tobacco Bis(chloromethyl)ether and chloromethyl methyl ether (technical-grade) Busulfan 1,3-Butadiene Cadmium and cadmium compounds Chlorambucil Chlornaphazine Chromium (VI) compounds Clonorchis sinensis (infection with) Coal, indoor emissions from household combustion Coal gasification Coal-tar distillation Coal-tar pitch Coke production Cyclophosphamide Cyclosporine Diethylstilbestrol Engine exhaust, diesel Epstein-Barr virus (infection with) Erionite Estrogen postmenopausal therapy Estrogen-progestogen postmenopausal therapy (combined) Estrogen-progestogen oral contraceptives (combined) (Note: There is also convincing evidence in humans that these agents confer a protective effect against cancer in the endometrium and ovary) Ethanol in alcoholic beverages Ethylene oxide Etoposide Etoposide in combination with cisplatin and bleomycin Fission products, including strontium-90 Formaldehyde Haematite mining (underground) Helicobacter pylori (infection with) Hepatitis B virus (chronic infection with) Hepatitis C virus (chronic infection with) Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) (infection with) Human papilloma virus (HPV) types 16, 18, 31, 33, 35, 39, 45, 51, 52, 56, 58, 59 (infection with) (Note: The HPV types that have been classified as carcinogenic to humans can differ by an order of magnitude in risk for cervical cancer) Human T-cell lymphotropic virus type I (HTLV-1) (infection with) Ionizing radiation (all types) Iron and steel founding (workplace exposure) Isopropyl alcohol manufacture using strong acids Kaposi sarcoma herpesvirus (KSHV)/human herpesvirus 8 (HHV-8) (infection with) Leather dust Magenta production Melphalan Methoxsalen (8-methoxypsoralen) plus ultraviolet A radiation 4,4'-Methylenebis(chloroaniline) (MOCA) Mineral oils, untreated or mildly treated

MOPP and other combined chemotherapy including alkylating agents

2-Naphthylamine Neutron radiation Nickel compounds N'-Nitrosonornicotine (NNN) and 4-(N-Nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (NNK) Opisthorchis viverrini (liver fluke; infection with) Painter (workplace exposure as a) 3,4,5,3',4'-Pentachlorobiphenyl (PCB-126) 2,3,4,7,8-Pentachlorodibenzofuran Phenacetin (and mixtures containing it) Phosphorus-32, as phosphate Plutonium Radioiodines, including iodine-131 Radionuclides, alpha-particle-emitting, internally deposited (Note: Specific radionuclides for which there is sufficient evidence for carcinogenicity to humans are also listed individually as Group 1 agents) Radionuclides, beta-particle-emitting, internally deposited (Note: Specific radionuclides for which there is sufficient evidence for carcinogenicity to humans are also listed individually as Group 1 agents) Radium-224 and its decay products Radium-226 and its decay products Radium-228 and its decay products Radon-222 and its decay products Rubber manufacturing industry Salted fish (Chinese-style) Schistosoma haematobium (flatworm; infection with) Semustine (methyl-CCNU) Shale oils Silica dust, crystalline, in the form of quartz or cristobalite Solar radiation Soot (as found in workplace exposure of chimney sweeps) Sulfur mustard Tamoxifen (Note: There is also conclusive evidence that tamoxifen reduces the risk of contralateral breast cancer in breast cancer patients) 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-para-dioxin Thiotepa Thorium-232 and its decay products Tobacco, smokeless Tobacco smoke, secondhand Tobacco smoking ortho-Toluidine Treosulfan Ultraviolet (UV) radiation, including UVA, UVB, and UVC rays Ultraviolet-emitting tanning devices Vinyl chloride Wood dust X- and Gamma-radiation

National Toxicology Program 12th Report on Carcinogens
"Known to be human carcinogens"

Aflatoxins Alcoholic beverage consumption 4-Aminobiphenyl Analgesic mixtures containing phenacetin Aristolochic acids Arsenic compounds, inorganic Asbestos Azathioprine Benzene Benzidine Beryllium and beryllium compounds 1,3-Butadiene 1,4-Butanediol dimethylsulfonate (busulfan, Myleran®) Cadmium and cadmium compounds Chlorambucil 1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-(4-methylcyclohexyl)-1-nitrosourea (MeCCNU) bis(chloromethyl) ether and technical-grade chloromethyl methyl ether Chromium hexavalent compounds Coal tar pitches Coal tars Coke oven emissions Cyclophosphamide Cyclosporin A Diethylstilbestrol (DES) Dyes metabolized to benzidine Environmental tobacco smoke Erionite Estrogens, steroidal Ethylene oxide Formaldehyde Hepatitis B virus Hepatitis C virus Human papilloma viruses: some genital-mucosal types Melphalan Methoxsalen with ultraviolet A therapy (PUVA) Mineral oils (untreated and mildly treated) Mustard gas 2-Naphthylamine Neutrons Nickel compounds Oral tobacco products Radon Silica, crystalline (respirable size) Solar radiation Soots Strong inorganic acid mists containing sulfuric acid Sunlamps or sunbeds, exposure to Tamoxifen 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD); "dioxin" Thiotepa Thorium dioxide Tobacco smoking Vinyl chloride Ultraviolet radiation, broad spectrum UV radiation Wood dust X-radiation and gamma radiation
04/11/2013 new

OK, that was not how the list looked in the preview. It was actually a nice ordered list.

04/11/2013 new

Hi Vivienne,

PILL is used to treat PCOS - polycystic ovarian syndrome, very common condition, increasing drastically in teenage girls because of obesity, so 20 years from now, it will be even more common.
INSULIN plays a role in ovary and affects the proportion of testosterone/estrogen made in ovary.
You can put PCOS, insulin and OCP http://www.PUBMED.COM and you will find the real papers with statistics and so on.
This is one of the reasons you were reading about INSULIN.

Metformin is a drug that makes body more sensitive to its own INSULIN and affects liver handling of sugar, but it also affects sensitivity of ovary to the insulin and changes proportion of testosterone and estrogens made in the ovary....

So, if a girl is obese with high insulin, I start Metformin first...many will start ovulating, periods get better, hair gets less and acne can get better.

It was used in Europe for centuries. It comes from a plant called French Lilac. It is used for treatment of prediabetes, diabetes and PCOS.
BUT, it is a chemical pill now with its own chemical formula.

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