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Discussion related to living as a Catholic in the single state of life. As long as a topic is being discussed from the perspective of a single Catholic then it will be on-topic.

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Apr 11th 2013 new

(Quote) John-324285 said: I can't entirely relate to this situation as I assume based on the facts you gave that...
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I can't entirely relate to this situation as I assume based on the facts you gave that this man has already been married before. Personally a human has more value than any animal no matter how beloved, so in my book 10/10 times I'm going to say her and without having to think about it. She has a soul and can relate to me and be a much better companion than ANY dog ever.

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Respectfully John, I'd like to point out that the same logic could be used against the gf. It appears she is placing her desire to see an animal gone over her love for the human. Follow? So she is willing to walk away from a human just because there is an animal involved? I think this points to the fact that we need to learn her motivation.

I guess you could create any number of scenarios similar to this one. "Get rid of your motorcycle or I'll leave you?" "You'd leave me simply because I have a motorcycle?" (Ladies, I don't ride a motorcycle.)

Apr 11th 2013 new
(Quote) Frank-410833 said: (Quote) Josephine-586127 said: John, if a woman demands you prove your love for her by giving up you...
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John, if a woman demands you prove your love for her by giving up your beloved pet, be prepared to give in to her for the rest of your life.





Thank you Mike. You just gave me the idea for my newest interview question.





Precisely. Don't be a doormat John. Come on, love yourself more than that.
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It's interesting. I can see where Frank and Josephine are coming from about not becoming a total push over. But I didn't see John's answer at all that way.

Of course each of us need to love ourselves and our life more than we often do. We ought not become doormats. But our Christian faith demands that if we want to truly experience love we have to put others before ourselves. And the others that we put first are other human beings.

In some ways Mike's question is a question about the sacredness of life of humans. We assign value to others when we put them first, before our own comfort, desires, wants.

Josephine is right, if someone demands that we give up something we love to prove our love, we ought to expect that to be the MO. But like I said, I didn't see the situation that way. Rather, I saw John's willingness to sacrifice for the woman in his life. She's that important to him! (This is Christlike.) The right woman is willing to do the same. We don't see evidence of the woman in Mike's scenario imitating Christ in the same manner.
Apr 11th 2013 new
(Quote) Mike-905381 said: Respectfully John, I'd like to point out that the same logic could be used against the gf. I...
(Quote) Mike-905381 said:



Respectfully John, I'd like to point out that the same logic could be used against the gf. It appears she is placing her desire to see an animal gone over her love for the human. Follow? So she is willing to walk away from a human just because there is an animal involved? I think this points to the fact that we need to learn her motivation.



I guess you could create any number of scenarios similar to this one. "Get rid of your motorcycle or I'll leave you?" "You'd leave me simply because I have a motorcycle?" (Ladies, I don't ride a motorcycle.)

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Apr 11th 2013 new

(Quote) Mike-646924 said: Hello Everybody: Ok What wpuld you do If? Lets say your in a Nice (beautiful) Relationship (oh say...
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Hello Everybody: Ok What wpuld you do If? Lets say your in a Nice (beautiful) Relationship (oh say 6 months or more) And everything is goin just Dandy; (everything is clicking) Then all of a sudden! Lets say he has a Dog (lovess the Dog) and she does too; oh yeah his kids are all grown; But its just him and the Dog; And durin a conversation she says (to him) you know "i love your dog" But however i'am not quite comfortable with the dog; (around) so he say's what are you saying? She say's to him "its either ME or the DOG"? What would you do; Ok my answer would be to her is: Ok Let me think about this; let me sleep on it and we will talk about it tomorrow; then the next day; She asks the same question? Well what did you decide? its either ME or the DOG? I would say you know what? (sorry) But i choose the dog! So how aboutit? What would you do/ choose? (think about it)!! Mike "Peace"!!

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Love me, love my dog.. See ya fella..

Apr 11th 2013 new
(Quote) Donna-83441 said: Love me, love my dog.. See ya fella..
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Love me, love my dog.. See ya fella..

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I love Ginger! hughug hersheyskiss
Apr 11th 2013 new

(Quote) Ray-566531 said: (Quote) Pat-5351 said: If I loved the person, the dog would be gone. ...
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[quote]Pat-5351 said:

If I loved the person, the dog would be gone.

If I was not so sure about the person, I would break up with the person.

If course, I don't have a dog and probably never will.

Is she allergic, had a bad experience with dogs, or just is a mean person?

If it is the first two, if you love the person, you would forego the pet.

People over animals. That is my rule.

[/quote: I'm guessing that the responses will vary depending upon a person's having had a pet before, or had none. The perspective is much different; both views deserve consideration.

Your organized thoughts about the situation sum up the choices pretty well.

Because Mike's dog has now gained the status of "family member", I think it would be difficult for him to make an overnight decision. First of all, there may be ways to keep the dog in the family -- either a relative or friend. But first, I would explore the reason for this lady not wanting the dog around. You mentioned possibilities above.

If allergies are a problem, there's little question about having an animal in the same home. A bad experience? Even many pet-lovers have had bad experiences with animals but manage to overlook the offenses (unless they are repeated). A mean person? Best to find out now.

At this point, Mike and his lady friend are not committed to each other, and he didn't mention any marriage plans. For that reason, it would seem premature to part with a devoted companion. If the relationship doesn't develop into something permanent, he has lost both the woman and his pet.

Another option is to ask this woman to try to adapt, little by little, to having the dog around. This process actually works in a lot of cases.

A thought occured that she might be demanding. What is the urgency? Why must a decision be made overnight? Given the circumstances, her "demand" seems unreasonable. Mike should be given time to consider possible options or some type of compromise. And the lady, in fairness to Mike, should offer the same consideration. This won't be the only point of disagreement they encounter. How will others be handled?

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How would disagreements be handled? Her way or the highway. That's how.

Apr 11th 2013 new

(Quote) Dawn-58330 said: I love Ginger!
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I love Ginger!
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hug Many CM'rs that have met me have also met her.. She has her little quirks but she has been a great little girl for me.. Heaven knows I've put her through her paces.. Little ball of fur never knows where she'll end up when I put her in the car.


Apr 11th 2013 new
(Quote) Donna-83441 said: How would disagreements be handled? Her way or the highway. That's how.
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How would disagreements be handled? Her way or the highway. That's how.

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Apr 11th 2013 new
(Quote) Donna-83441 said: Many CM'rs that have met me have also met her.. She has her little quirks but she has...
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Many CM'rs that have met me have also met her.. She has her little quirks but she has been a great little girl for me.. Heaven knows I've put her through her paces.. Little ball of fur never knows where she'll end up when I put her in the car.




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(Quote) Frank-410833 said:
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