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This room is for discussion for anyone who adheres to the Extraordinary form of the mass and any issues related to the practices of Eastern Rite Catholicism.

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Apr 15th 2013 new

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Cardinal Walter Kasper made a stunning statement in the pages of L'Osservatore Romano this past Friday. In offering some reflections on the challenges facing the Church and the continued (perpetual) problem of the "true implementation of Vatican II", Kasper, speaking with reference to the documents of the Council, stated:

"In many places, [the Council Fathers] had to find compromise formulas, in which, often, the positions of the majority are located immediately next to those of the minority, designed to delimit them. Thus, the conciliar texts themselves have a huge potential for conflict, open the door to a selective reception in either direction." (Cardinal Walter Kasper, L'Osservatore Romano, April 12, 2013)

Apr 15th 2013 new

(Quote) Bernard-2709 said: http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com/2013/04/kasper-admits-intentional-ambiguity.html
(Quote) Bernard-2709 said:

unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com

Cardinal Walter Kasper made a stunning statement in the pages of L'Osservatore Romano this past Friday. In offering some reflections on the challenges facing the Church and the continued (perpetual) problem of the "true implementation of Vatican II", Kasper, speaking with reference to the documents of the Council, stated:

"In many places, [the Council Fathers] had to find compromise formulas, in which, often, the positions of the majority are located immediately next to those of the minority, designed to delimit them. Thus, the conciliar texts themselves have a huge potential for conflict, open the door to a selective reception in either direction." (Cardinal Walter Kasper, L'Osservatore Romano, April 12, 2013)

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This is evident from merely a reading of Dignitatis Humanae...haha!

Apr 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Bernard-2709 said: http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com/2013/04/kasper-admits-intentional-ambiguity.html
(Quote) Bernard-2709 said:

unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com

Cardinal Walter Kasper made a stunning statement in the pages of L'Osservatore Romano this past Friday. In offering some reflections on the challenges facing the Church and the continued (perpetual) problem of the "true implementation of Vatican II", Kasper, speaking with reference to the documents of the Council, stated:

"In many places, [the Council Fathers] had to find compromise formulas, in which, often, the positions of the majority are located immediately next to those of the minority, designed to delimit them. Thus, the conciliar texts themselves have a huge potential for conflict, open the door to a selective reception in either direction." (Cardinal Walter Kasper, L'Osservatore Romano, April 12, 2013)

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+JMJ+

The premeditated ambiguities were errors in and of themselves, a product of what Our Blessed Mother described as a diabolical disorientation. It took 40 years before it was admitted that the Traditional Latin Mass was never abrogated. In time these errors will be admitted as well ... the sooner the better.

Apr 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Joseph-2737 said: +JMJ+ The premeditated ambiguities were errors in and of themselves, a product of ...
(Quote) Joseph-2737 said:

+JMJ+

The premeditated ambiguities were errors in and of themselves, a product of what Our Blessed Mother described as a diabolical disorientation. It took 40 years before it was admitted that the Traditional Latin Mass was never abrogated. In time these errors will be admitted as well ... the sooner the better.

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Perfecto Joseph.I agree.

Apr 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Bernard-2709 said: Perfecto Joseph.I agree.
(Quote) Bernard-2709 said:

Perfecto Joseph.I agree.

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If Pope Francis wants to go forward with Vatican II, then the best progress is to go back and undo the ambiguities and mistakes.

Sometimes you have to go back to go forward.

Apr 16th 2013 new

(Quote) Bernard-2709 said: http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com/2013/04/kasper-admits-intentional-ambiguity.html
(Quote) Bernard-2709 said:

unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com

Cardinal Walter Kasper made a stunning statement in the pages of L'Osservatore Romano this past Friday. In offering some reflections on the challenges facing the Church and the continued (perpetual) problem of the "true implementation of Vatican II", Kasper, speaking with reference to the documents of the Council, stated:

"In many places, [the Council Fathers] had to find compromise formulas, in which, often, the positions of the majority are located immediately next to those of the minority, designed to delimit them. Thus, the conciliar texts themselves have a huge potential for conflict, open the door to a selective reception in either direction." (Cardinal Walter Kasper, L'Osservatore Romano, April 12, 2013)

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Did Cardinal Kasper attend the Council sessions or have close ties those played a significant role in drafting the Council documents?

Apr 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Steven-706921 said: If Pope Francis wants to go forward with Vatican II, then the best progress is to go ba...
(Quote) Steven-706921 said:

If Pope Francis wants to go forward with Vatican II, then the best progress is to go back and undo the ambiguities and mistakes.

Sometimes you have to go back to go forward.

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+JMJ+

Yes Steven. It's just a trickle at this point but more and more bishops are asking for precisely that. Two that come to mind: Bishop Mario Oliveri of the Diocese of Albenga-Imperia in Italy and Bishop Athanasius Schneider of the Diocese of Astana, Kazakhstan ... and perhaps Bishop Thomas Olmsted of Phoenix, Arizona, USA.

Apr 17th 2013 new

(Quote) Jerry-74383 said: (Quote) Bernard-2709 said: unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com.
(Quote) Jerry-74383 said:

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Bernard-2709 said:

unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com

Cardinal Walter Kasper made a stunning statement in the pages of L'Osservatore Romano this past Friday. In offering some reflections on the challenges facing the Church and the continued (perpetual) problem of the "true implementation of Vatican II", Kasper, speaking with reference to the documents of the Council, stated:

"In many places, [the Council Fathers] had to find compromise formulas, in which, often, the positions of the majority are located immediately next to those of the minority, designed to delimit them. Thus, the conciliar texts themselves have a huge potential for conflict, open the door to a selective reception in either direction." (Cardinal Walter Kasper, L'Osservatore Romano, April 12, 2013)


Did Cardinal Kasper attend the Council sessions or have close ties those played a significant role in drafting the Council documents?

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I don't know.

Apr 17th 2013 new

Yes I would agree there is a lot of confusion about Vatican 2

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