(Quote) Carrie-529869 said:
I do not believe anywhere has the church laid out what and to what extent constitutes a JUST rea...
(Quote) Carrie-529869 said:
I do not believe anywhere has the church laid out what and to what extent constitutes a JUST reason (the correct term) to avoid pregnancy.
I find this post a bit presumptious. While based on truth-- yes, one does need a just reason. I find a bit arrogant to actually come up and lay out opinion as facts of church teaching.
The reasons are not for us to judge on, but are between the couple and God, and hopefully a good spiritual director.
Also, you are incorrect that there is primary and secondary reasons for marriage. They are of equal importance.
The fact is, is that the sacrifices, communication, and self-discipline required to practice NFP make it a VERY good filter and prevention against mortal sin. Not to say that its impossible to use NFP with selfish reasons, but even then for it to be a sin meeting the conditions to be mortal would be very unlikely.
I will respond to each objection as you have raised it, Carrie. Thank you, however, for taking me to task to prove my assertions.
The Church has indeed laid out just reasons to avoid pregnancy. Three of the most modern popes (Pius XII, Paul VI and John Paul II) have all commented on this issue. For the most in-depth analysis of this issue, I used Pius XII's "Address to Midwives on the Nature of Their Profession", dated October 29, 1951. In fact, most of my responses to you will be taken from his letter.
Please forgive the bit of reading citation that I'm including to show you my source. Any bold lettering in the quotes is my emphasis.
The Vicar of Christ says, concerning those serious reasons (and the sin attached to abusing them):
"The individual and society, the people and the State, the Church itself, depend for their existence, in the order established by God, on fruitful marriages. Therefore, to embrace the matrimonial state, to use continually the faculty proper to such a state and lawful only therein, and, at the same time, to avoid its primary duty without a grave reason, would be a sin against the very nature of married life
"Serious motives, such as those which not rarely arise from medical, eugenic, economic and social so-called "indications," may exempt husband and wife from the obligatory, positive debt for a long period or even for the entire period of matrimonial life. From this it follows that the observance of the natural sterile periods may be lawful, from the moral viewpoint: and it is lawful in the conditions mentioned. If, however, according to a reasonable and equitable judgment, there are no such grave reasons either personal or deriving from exterior circumstances, the will to avoid the fecundity of their union, while continuing to satisfy to the full their sensuality, can only be the result of a false appreciation of life and of motives foreign to sound ethical principles."
As to your assertion that procreation is not the primary end of marriage...
"We showed what has been handed down by Christian tradition, what the Supreme Pontiffs have repeatedly taught, and what was then in due measure promulgated by the Code of Canon Law. Not long afterwards, to correct opposing opinions, the Holy See, by a public decree, proclaimed that it could not admit the opinion of some recent authors who denied that the primary end of marriage is the procreation and education of the offspring, or teach that the secondary ends are not essentially subordinated to the primary end, but are on an equal footing and independent of it."
The full letter may be found in full here:
These are not just my opinions, nor are they just the Pope's. The Pope does not make the rules. God does. The Pope simply gives voice to what has been laid down in the deposit of Faith. You are right, the reasons are not for us to judge on. But if you think that God doesn't judge on them by the rules that He has revealed to us, you are mistaken.